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we live in a reality of phantoms and

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monsters they exist Among Us and

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sometimes they win even the devil was an

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angel once the world has its own rules

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and these rules are not human

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some of us seek answers to the origin

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and existence of Cryptids and The

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Unexplained

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and accepted boundaries Welcome to our

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nightmare I think you're going to like

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hey first good evening and welcome to

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The Unexplained I'm your host launch

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this episode of famous monsters radio

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we're going to present an obscure

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Cryptid Roundtable discussion and uh

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this should be interesting

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um we have Dean Bertram PhD who's a

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freelance writer filmmaker and Film

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Festival director based in Sydney

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Australia he is the co-founder of a

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knight of horror International Film

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Festival

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Dean is written for a range of

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Publications including the Australian

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the Australian financial review People

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magazine 3D World and 14 times

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he founded a night of horror

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International Film Festival along with

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Lisa Mitchell and Grant burkham in 2006.

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bergerman Mitchell remained the

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festival's directors

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our friend Ron Murphy the crypto Guru

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has been investigating the stuff of the

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nightmars matters for over 30 years he

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has delved deeply into the Shadows to

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shed light on the Things That Go Bump in

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the night and meticulously research the

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historical and psychological context a

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mist and Legend around the world Ron

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seeks to uncover your archetypal

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precedent for the monsters that halt are

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collective thoughts

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and a witness to the living pterosaur

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which I'm going to ask you about author

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illustrator and biblical paranormal

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researcher Jason McLean has authored and

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Illustrated numerous books including how

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UFOs and Bigfoot prove the Bible is true

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and Metroplex monsters he can be found

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weekly on

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s-i-r-u papers and Texas front porch

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channels on YouTube where he discusses

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cryptozoology ufology forbidden

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archeology and the Paranormal and of

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course Bernadette McDaniel is a

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investigative researcher fans and lots

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of Fortune research and she'd joining us

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tonight as my co-host and will soon be

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premiering her show a paranormal life

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when fantasy monster Reyes the guys and

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gals thanks for joining me this evening

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so

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yes Lord I need you to tell us about

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your pterosaur

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yeah so um I yeah so okay it was 92 uh

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summer June uh so you know out of school

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and uh I grew up in DeSoto Texas

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basically we are a suburb of Dallas our

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northern border is Dallas the city of

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Dallas

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so this is not the middle of nowhere

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this is right off of I-35 and um there

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is you know North Texas sits on a large

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just flat Limestone bed right so we we

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have a lot of our uh larger creeks and

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rivers uh you see these white rocks you

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know because that's what happens it's

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eroded all the way down into it and the

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10 Mile Creek which is where this took

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place is exactly that right it's about

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30 it's 25 30 feet deep in most places

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and it's just sheer Cliffs there's a few

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places where the walls have sort of

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collapsed from you know runoff

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um so you can get down into it but by

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and large it's very inaccessible uh you

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you most people wouldn't even know that

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it was there unless you drove over it on

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a bridge right

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and because Texans are terrible naming

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things the reasons called the 10 Mile

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Creek is because it's 10 miles long

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look I I admit Texans are great a lot of

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things naming things is not one of them

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right we got Round Rock Texas because

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there's there was a big round rock in

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the river and that's how you knew it was

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safe to cross Mesquite because yeah

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exactly Mesquite Texas was named because

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it had a just a bunch of Mesquite trees

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Cedar Hill was a hill with a lot of

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cedar trees on it we do a lot of things

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well naming things ain't one of them so

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we were there fishing it's about 10 30

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11 A.M and you know we were done

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and he's already up to sort of that

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little you know I mentioned how

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everything would had like the walls

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would collapse in that's how you get in

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and out so we were on this sort of

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artificial bank that the collapse had

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created well he's already up and he's

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through the tree line

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and I'm basically packed up and as I'm

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heading up and getting into the tree

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line

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I hear something

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and it's a it's a call it was very loud

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I'd never heard anything like it before

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I spent all my time outside I know what

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this area was I know the animals in the

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area and so I poked my head out I'm like

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what the heck was that

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people ask me what it sounds like the

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best thing I can come up with is it

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sounds like the car the crow but ugly

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like that's that's all I got

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um closest I can come so I just poked my

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head out from behind the tree line

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trying to figure out what's happening

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and I see what I think

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at first is the largest blue heron I've

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ever seen in my life

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wingspan eight to ten feet across

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and the reason I thought it was a blue

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heron because you know it's about 10

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through 11 so the the light is coming

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down so I can see it perfectly coming

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towards me it was in the general shape

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of you know when I when a

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you know Heron or a crane flies right

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where they do that shape with the wings

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and they like to do that thing with

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their neck where the you know same thing

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with like a pelican where it makes that

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S curve where they sort of take their

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long neck and bend it back and they put

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their head on their shoulders

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and where I and sometimes they'll you

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know they'll fly with their legs out

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behind them that's where I thought I was

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seeing plus it was the color it was the

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same color as a blue heron it was

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Payne's gray right sort of which is sort

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of a blue gray if you don't know and so

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I'm kind of elevated because I'm on the

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this you know the embankment's going up

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it's a little low and it isn't until

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it's right in front of me Wayne tip it's

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right wing tip is like five feet from my

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face

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that I realize what I'm looking at has

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no feathers

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and what I thought had been its legs

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sticking out behind it because it was a

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heron was actually a long flange tail

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because I just saw the legs it didn't

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look too dissimilar from what uh from

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what Vince has up here except it doesn't

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it didn't have a Crest and had a long

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tail with a flange on the end and so now

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that I've I've looked at it I'm watching

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it go away

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and so I get a again I've got a good

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look at it it just flies and just Banks

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and disappears from my life

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and long story short

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I didn't tell anybody for 20 years

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because I didn't believe I'd seen it

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the worst part of this story

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is like two years later

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um there was a show on uh like a a

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special done by NBC

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um like called The Mysterious origins of

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man it was the first time I saw

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um

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oh I just forgot his name uh

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I'm terrible with names uh Dean could

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probably name it for me uh

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he uh you see him on uh Ancient Aliens

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all the time uh he does a lot of the uh

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XP he sort of says a lot of the large

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Stone Works David Hatcher Childress

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that's it okay yeah so it's the first

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time I'd ever seen him and I'm hearing

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these stories about pterosaurs in Texas

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the Brownsville flap all of that and I'm

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like wow

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couldn't have been what I saw because

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that's San Antonio that's the Rio Grande

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Valley that's hundreds of miles away and

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my basic assumption was there's no way

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there could be living pterosaurs in

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Dallas Texas and have nobody know about

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them

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so I shut up

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it gets worse I had known

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Ken Gerhart for years before I I came

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out the man who literally wrote the book

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on pterosaurs in Texas and I'm like nope

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yeah so I mean it's it's terrible but I

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finally did you know long story short I

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came out and I took some time off and I

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found there were I was sort of right

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yeah these things couldn't live in Texas

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and have no in north Texas very

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specifically in inside of the Dallas

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Fort Worth Metroplex they have nobody

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know about them well a lot of people

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know about him but like me they were

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just way too afraid to talk about it

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um what's worse is when I kind of came

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out I had like three people known to me

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personally

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with these fantastic stories one was

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about the goat man at White Rock Lake

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but the other two were about pterosaurs

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in the area uh after I sent the

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manuscript off the manuscript off from

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my book uh Metroplex monsters another

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person known very close to me and he

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called me up terrified because he saw

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one

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so the simple fact of the matter is

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people are seeing these things in around

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the Dallas Fort Worth Metroplex and I

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they seem to have a flight pattern it's

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Northern it's Northern Texas uh Southern

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Oklahoma out towards New Mexico and you

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can literally Trace their their flight

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battery I have had people tell me that

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they think there's a Flyway from Central

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America up into Mexico up and across the

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New Mexico and uh Texas now I don't know

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if that's true or not but I had a couple

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people tell me that yeah well I've got

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yeah I've got accounts coming out of

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again Southern you know you know South

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Texas the Mexican border but yeah I've

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got plenty of stuff coming up from yeah

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me too yeah I mean in my question at

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this point it's not you know are they

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real or not I know they're real I saw

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them and there's it's that consistency

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you know the pterosaurs aren't sexy like

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Bigfoot you know meaning there's enough

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people who know about Bigfoot that you

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know in the story it gets you enough

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attention

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there's reasons for people to come and

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tell you that story and you can yeah you

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can tell when you're getting hosed

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there isn't enough information out there

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about the pterosaurs it's not as popular

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that that it's that the the field isn't

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really contaminated yet

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so it's there's there's such consistency

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where I'm at now is I'm questioning do

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we have two different species or do we

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have one species at two different stages

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of development

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that's the question where I'm at now

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because there does seem to be much

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larger ones that are seen further south

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and you know you can trace them and you

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have the ones that I saw and the ones

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here in North Texas my only question is

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are they two separate species that's

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indigenous here or is it one species

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that the juveniles stay in sort of like

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the creeks in West Texas and then when

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they get bigger they can go further

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distances and so that's what we're

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seeing around the Rio Grande Valley so

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that's sort of the question we're at now

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but yeah you know I we're actually

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looking at a uh a recent sighting out in

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alamogordage New Mexico oh yeah and um

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I had just posted a couple well about a

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week ago and uh they the witnesses

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actually saw it twice so and they were

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they were hearing it at night yeah so

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yeah yeah I mean we do get a lot of

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sightings down in the southwest and

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especially in Texas so and people want

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to know the book it was big bird that

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was by Ken Gara art and uh uh Nick

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Redfern that that yeah that's kind of

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the first there it is it kind of the

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first one that ever came out about this

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stuff yeah

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yeah so Dean

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welcome to the show it's first time

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having you on here

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uh thank you for having me

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have you ever had an encounter or

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anything that's obscure I mean you know

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I I don't know if you've even had an

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encounter but can you tell us anything

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about that or have you had an

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investigation with an obscure Crypt that

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you'd like to talk about I've never

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experienced a Cryptid or seen a Cryptid

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I did when I was younger I have

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which I've only started talking about

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recently actually I had a an ongoing

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series of either dreams or bedroom

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visitations

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which and this is before I'd been

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culturally contaminated by any type of I

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suppose extraterrestrial belief for the

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type of things you see on the X-Files or

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close encounters but when I was little

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and I'm guessing around five

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that kind of age anyway a little man

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used to come to my room at night so

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again I'm not sure if it was a dream if

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it was a reality but it went on and on

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and on and I mean I can talk a little

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bit about that if you want to hear that

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but it's not really the crypto thing

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okay it's it's an interesting story it's

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um

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he didn't look anything like a gray

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extraterrestrial memories funny that's

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something I'm very conscious of as

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somebody who studied UFO abductions at

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an academic level so it's difficult when

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you talk about something you experienced

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40 years ago to know how real that is

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and how contaminated it's been or not

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but the fact that I've remembered it I

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think fairly clearly throughout most of

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my life and I always remember this

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little man is looking goblin-esque he

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didn't look like a gray as I said at all

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he looked almost more like the type of

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little person you would see in an old

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movie like freaks or an old movie like

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The Wizard of Oz he had that kind of you

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know compacted type look he didn't he

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wasn't like he was he had I guess what

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would be proportional dwarfism or he

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looked like he had proportional dwarfism

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all of his his legs and Limbs and

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everything weren't stunted but he was

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very Squat and compacted if anything he

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looked almost like that little Goblin

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sitting on the chest of the woman in the

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famous nightmare painting with the

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horse's head in the background and the

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woman splayed backwards

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we tend to use as something

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representative of sleep paralysis so

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everyone kind of knows what that looks

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like now I'm sure I'd never seen that

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image when I was five

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um and I don't have very clear

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Recollections of where he took me

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although I've always thought that the

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little man took me away and the only

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recollection I have of when I was

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actually taken somewhere is

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and again there's no memory of going

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from my bed dark bedroom to the light

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space I'm about to describe it was just

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instantly and all of a sudden I was with

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the little man in a very I suppose large

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wellish lit room

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almost dome-like I think I remember

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ceiling seeming to be high anyway and we

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were surrounded by a very tall beings

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and I think because I was a little kid I

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was used to being surrounded by tall

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beings in other words adults I assumed I

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was I guess that like you know an adult

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cocktail party or something like and you

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pull on your parents legs for attention

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I know my daughter did that when she was

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around that age she still does and so

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after some reason I thought the thing

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closest to me was my mother and I

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remember very clear thinking oh it's mum

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you know and tugging on its leg and the

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thing bent down and its face was you

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know probably less than a foot from mine

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and it was not my mother and it was

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something that wasn't human and I don't

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like to describe that one because the

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memory isn't as clear because I only saw

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it once and I I wonder how much what I

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can remember is a cultural contamination

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of horror movies and science fiction and

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the like but the thing didn't look human

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and it scared me badly and that's the

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only time I remember going anywhere with

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where I actually went to the denouement

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of the story which I'll tell very

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quickly because I think in some ways it

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might detailing it might be significant

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is one night

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was the last time a little man ever came

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I knew I knew if I went with a little

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man this night he hadn't come yet but I

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felt he was coming I knew if I went I

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would never ever ever come back that's

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the painting thanks Vincent

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um I knew I would never come back and

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when he came I can't ever remember

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before resisting him but I actually

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fought him and I didn't fight him like

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Rocky or I didn't box him or anything

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but I have a very clear physical memory

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of tussling with him and physically

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resisting on the top of my bed and it's

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very similar to other real memories I

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have of tussling with little kids in

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sand pits and playgrounds at the time

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little boys are always in fights is that

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and that's the weird thing to me because

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I've always kind of dismissed it there's

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something my psyche was maybe going

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through because I'm I'm quite skeptical

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of a lot of these experiences or at

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least I think I take tend to take a

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sociological and psychological approach

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although I do think the imaginal is

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worth looking at but the fact that

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memory is such a real physical memory

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anyway I resisted I don't know if I won

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I certainly came with some kind of

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impasse little man left and he never

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came back again and that was the end of

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this it must have been you know months

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and months of citations or at least over

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not every night but the thing went on

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for for months of my life I remember it

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being a big part of my sleep routine

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when I was little being scared of this

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um

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wow

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uh Ryan

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your turn

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yeah what can you tell us I I wish I had

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stories like this

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um I unfortunately do not but I can try

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to look at the historical record uh

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because the kind of investigator that I

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am

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I look like to see if somebody is having

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these kind of encounters there obviously

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would be a precedent correct like this

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just doesn't happen and if these things

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are indeed happening to people now let's

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see if we can find any kind of like I

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said any kind of antecedent about this

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in the historical record and what Dean

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just described is very close uh to the

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encounters that a person by the name of

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uh Reverend Kirk had uh in Scotland uh

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in the late 1600s I don't know if you

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were familiar with that at all Dean uh

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but uh you know it the idea that there

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is an underlying world uh you know right

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up on top of ours kind of layered on top

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of ours and there's a seepage through

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each

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um makes perfect sense whenever you talk

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about uh the the historical record uh

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now you said you're in Australia correct

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uh I was then I'm in Wisconsin at the

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moment

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right from Australia but I'm basically

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now yeah so yeah he's a cheesehead now

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that's there you go that's right uh go

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Packers so you have uh the one Gina in

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in the dream time Narrative of many

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Aboriginal Australian uh uh cultures uh

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as well as the meanest these kind of

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creatures that exist in spaces between

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spaces and they can interact with our

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world uh but I write a lot about uh the

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fairy realm the idea of fairies and the

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idea of Elementals and what you

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described is almost

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um uh well not verbatim but but

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paraphrased almost to the kind of

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experiences that uh the Reverend Kirk

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had uh whenever he was just going about

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his own business he saw a light shining

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from the side of the Hill when he

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entered it and inside there were these

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very tall figures uh and if you would

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look at the vernacular of the UFO

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culture today you would describe this as

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you know encounters with the nordics you

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know and the Grays you know

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um and I find that extremely fascinating

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that we have had this continual line of

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interactions with these types of

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creatures since the very dawn of

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humanity so what are we supposed to do

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with this I mean it's not that people

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have been lying this entire time and

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it's not as you said Dean that this can

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be some sort of cultural uh impression

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uh on you especially as a child uh so as

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an investigator the kind of research

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that I do

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um it's showing that you're keeping in

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some sort of uh line with these kind of

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encounters but but really we need to get

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into down to say where are these

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encounters coming from and what are they

547
00:21:16,789 --> 00:21:14,460
for did you feel in any way as if you

548
00:21:19,190 --> 00:21:16,799
were gifted this or do you feel that it

549
00:21:22,190 --> 00:21:19,200
was almost an intrusion into your life

550
00:21:23,570 --> 00:21:22,200
it felt like an intrusion where

551
00:21:25,810 --> 00:21:23,580
certainly when I was little and it's

552
00:21:28,370 --> 00:21:25,820
interesting you make the comparison to

553
00:21:29,930 --> 00:21:28,380
fairy law because as I've become older

554
00:21:31,669 --> 00:21:29,940
and obviously more interested in these

555
00:21:33,710 --> 00:21:31,679
type of topics I've always thought this

556
00:21:35,450 --> 00:21:33,720
sounds this seems to me more like it has

557
00:21:37,190 --> 00:21:35,460
something to do with what has been

558
00:21:38,870 --> 00:21:37,200
called the other crowd or the fair folk

559
00:21:40,669 --> 00:21:38,880
or the she then it does a modern

560
00:21:42,950 --> 00:21:40,679
extraterrestrial experience so I think

561
00:21:44,570 --> 00:21:42,960
that's very that's very insightful that

562
00:21:46,130 --> 00:21:44,580
that's the way that you interpreted it

563
00:21:47,930 --> 00:21:46,140
because that's how I've that's the kind

564
00:21:50,149 --> 00:21:47,940
of what I've lent to if there is a

565
00:21:51,830 --> 00:21:50,159
reality beyond my psyche whatever if I

566
00:21:54,409 --> 00:21:51,840
engage with something which was external

567
00:21:56,330 --> 00:21:54,419
it seems to fit that pattern I agree far

568
00:21:58,610 --> 00:21:56,340
better than an extra a standard extra

569
00:22:00,350 --> 00:21:58,620
terrestrial reduction pattern and then

570
00:22:02,029 --> 00:22:00,360
the things that I have been researching

571
00:22:04,190 --> 00:22:02,039
you know I try to make these kind of

572
00:22:06,649 --> 00:22:04,200
connections I try to you know connect

573
00:22:08,990 --> 00:22:06,659
the dots and the more that you look into

574
00:22:11,450 --> 00:22:09,000
this the more it seems that and again

575
00:22:13,190 --> 00:22:11,460
whenever you talk about fairies it

576
00:22:15,169 --> 00:22:13,200
automatically goes to your mind of you

577
00:22:16,970 --> 00:22:15,179
know the Victorian impression of them

578
00:22:18,830 --> 00:22:16,980
you know uh Tinkerbell and all that kind

579
00:22:20,450 --> 00:22:18,840
of stuff but I'm talking about Elemental

580
00:22:22,810 --> 00:22:20,460
something that is part of this

581
00:22:25,190 --> 00:22:22,820
environment something that is um

582
00:22:27,409 --> 00:22:25,200
intrinsically there and also something

583
00:22:30,529 --> 00:22:27,419
that's very intelligent interactive as

584
00:22:33,230 --> 00:22:30,539
well too so the story that we also heard

585
00:22:35,149 --> 00:22:33,240
about the uh the pterosaur uh you know

586
00:22:36,649 --> 00:22:35,159
it describes perfectly as the RAM for

587
00:22:38,270 --> 00:22:36,659
rinkus you know that that you know

588
00:22:39,409 --> 00:22:38,280
play-by-play that's exactly what we're

589
00:22:42,409 --> 00:22:39,419
talking about

590
00:22:44,510 --> 00:22:42,419
um but I investigated a uh an encounter

591
00:22:46,669 --> 00:22:44,520
in Western Pennsylvania where somebody

592
00:22:48,830 --> 00:22:46,679
was walking through the woods and he

593
00:22:50,570 --> 00:22:48,840
came across upon two creatures tassling

594
00:22:52,730 --> 00:22:50,580
you know kind of rustling same thing he

595
00:22:54,110 --> 00:22:52,740
described what was happening on your bed

596
00:22:56,029 --> 00:22:54,120
um and he said this was on for a while

597
00:22:58,250 --> 00:22:56,039
he couldn't remember these creatures

598
00:22:59,990 --> 00:22:58,260
were wearing clothes or not because they

599
00:23:01,850 --> 00:23:00,000
looked as if they were part of the

600
00:23:03,529 --> 00:23:01,860
environment now he called them brownies

601
00:23:05,270 --> 00:23:03,539
but you know that was just something

602
00:23:07,430 --> 00:23:05,280
that was part of you know the the in

603
00:23:08,690 --> 00:23:07,440
culture at that time thinking about uh

604
00:23:11,210 --> 00:23:08,700
Harry Potter

605
00:23:13,250 --> 00:23:11,220
um but whenever we he was saw was was

606
00:23:15,950 --> 00:23:13,260
saw them wrestling for a while one of

607
00:23:17,510 --> 00:23:15,960
them noticed him and it vanished into

608
00:23:19,490 --> 00:23:17,520
the side of the hill now he said that

609
00:23:21,169 --> 00:23:19,500
there was no hole in the side of the or

610
00:23:23,210 --> 00:23:21,179
just Vanishing inside of the hill now

611
00:23:26,029 --> 00:23:23,220
this is where it gets interesting the

612
00:23:28,070 --> 00:23:26,039
other one uh very very cool the other

613
00:23:31,130 --> 00:23:28,080
one went through a series of shape

614
00:23:34,669 --> 00:23:31,140
shifts before it became guess what a

615
00:23:36,830 --> 00:23:34,679
giant bird and flew away so as a

616
00:23:38,270 --> 00:23:36,840
researcher you know when we were talking

617
00:23:40,430 --> 00:23:38,280
about Bigfoot and we'll talk about all

618
00:23:43,610 --> 00:23:40,440
these other kind of things but the idea

619
00:23:45,110 --> 00:23:43,620
that somehow glamor can be used the idea

620
00:23:47,930 --> 00:23:45,120
that somehow these things can either

621
00:23:51,169 --> 00:23:47,940
project into your mind what they want

622
00:23:53,870 --> 00:23:51,179
you to see or somehow can change forms

623
00:23:55,250 --> 00:23:53,880
uh physically I really think that's

624
00:23:57,289 --> 00:23:55,260
what's going on here that doesn't make

625
00:23:59,029 --> 00:23:57,299
it any less real mind you right people

626
00:24:00,830 --> 00:23:59,039
are still having these experiences I

627
00:24:02,870 --> 00:24:00,840
believe you completely whenever you say

628
00:24:04,549 --> 00:24:02,880
these things but you know it's very

629
00:24:06,350 --> 00:24:04,559
interesting to figure out where these

630
00:24:08,029 --> 00:24:06,360
experiences are coming from if they're

631
00:24:10,850 --> 00:24:08,039
coming from from deep inside of us

632
00:24:12,470 --> 00:24:10,860
they're somehow projecting us or if it's

633
00:24:14,870 --> 00:24:12,480
a real physical interaction that's going

634
00:24:16,730 --> 00:24:14,880
on hmm

635
00:24:19,250 --> 00:24:16,740
you know this is interesting because we

636
00:24:21,049 --> 00:24:19,260
did get a comment earlier when um

637
00:24:24,049 --> 00:24:21,059
when Jace was talking about the

638
00:24:26,810 --> 00:24:24,059
pterodactyl um do you guys think these

639
00:24:29,450 --> 00:24:26,820
pterodactyl had mystical and paranormal

640
00:24:32,630 --> 00:24:29,460
abilities I mean I mean if you want to

641
00:24:33,590 --> 00:24:32,640
bring the favor realm into this uh do

642
00:24:35,210 --> 00:24:33,600
you think there may be a connection

643
00:24:36,950 --> 00:24:35,220
there

644
00:24:38,990 --> 00:24:36,960
you know what that's a question I've

645
00:24:40,490 --> 00:24:39,000
asked a long time I really don't have an

646
00:24:43,909 --> 00:24:40,500
answer to it

647
00:24:47,270 --> 00:24:43,919
um you know there's some connections to

648
00:24:49,970 --> 00:24:47,280
light to lights right uh the roping of

649
00:24:53,090 --> 00:24:49,980
Papua New Guinea is said to be

650
00:24:54,950 --> 00:24:53,100
bioluminescent yeah um I I at this

651
00:24:57,529 --> 00:24:54,960
moment I still think that they are more

652
00:25:01,070 --> 00:24:57,539
these are physical natural existing

653
00:25:03,409 --> 00:25:01,080
creatures however that being said to

654
00:25:06,470 --> 00:25:03,419
ROM's point one of the questions I've

655
00:25:09,049 --> 00:25:06,480
asked I just keep asking myself is we do

656
00:25:11,590 --> 00:25:09,059
have along with these pterosaurs

657
00:25:13,789 --> 00:25:11,600
stories of these giant Birds right

658
00:25:15,049 --> 00:25:13,799
massive Birds one of the story one of

659
00:25:16,490 --> 00:25:15,059
the stories in my book is about a

660
00:25:19,130 --> 00:25:16,500
lechusa which is

661
00:25:20,930 --> 00:25:19,140
an owl the size of a human with a

662
00:25:22,909 --> 00:25:20,940
woman's face right

663
00:25:24,470 --> 00:25:22,919
clearly not a natural creature in this

664
00:25:26,630 --> 00:25:24,480
in the rest of the story it makes it

665
00:25:28,610 --> 00:25:26,640
clear this is a supernatural being

666
00:25:30,649 --> 00:25:28,620
but I keep wondering you know with

667
00:25:32,210 --> 00:25:30,659
Bigfoot you can say well they die in the

668
00:25:34,669 --> 00:25:32,220
woods away from humans we're just not

669
00:25:36,169 --> 00:25:34,679
going to see their bodies but with some

670
00:25:39,590 --> 00:25:36,179
of these with some of these you know

671
00:25:41,990 --> 00:25:39,600
territoring sized uh Condors that are

672
00:25:43,909 --> 00:25:42,000
described you would sort of Imagine That

673
00:25:46,190 --> 00:25:43,919
Somebody somewhere would have a four or

674
00:25:47,390 --> 00:25:46,200
five look you know foot long feather

675
00:25:48,950 --> 00:25:47,400
somewhere

676
00:25:50,870 --> 00:25:48,960
and someone would have come across them

677
00:25:53,570 --> 00:25:50,880
and one of the questions I'm really

678
00:25:55,730 --> 00:25:53,580
pondering is again how much of this

679
00:25:58,310 --> 00:25:55,740
stuff is Paranormal or because I've got

680
00:26:00,649 --> 00:25:58,320
an account of uh from out of West Texas

681
00:26:03,470 --> 00:26:00,659
of this them catching a giant owl they

682
00:26:05,149 --> 00:26:03,480
said it was just a massive massive owl

683
00:26:06,350 --> 00:26:05,159
where they locked it in the bar and they

684
00:26:08,330 --> 00:26:06,360
came back the next day and it was a

685
00:26:09,769 --> 00:26:08,340
naked woman they said okay lady you can

686
00:26:11,930 --> 00:26:09,779
just go we don't want anything to do

687
00:26:14,750 --> 00:26:11,940
with this we don't know what the heck

688
00:26:18,830 --> 00:26:14,760
this is but you may be on your way yeah

689
00:26:20,450 --> 00:26:18,840
so you know for me I asked that question

690
00:26:23,450 --> 00:26:20,460
all the time because

691
00:26:25,010 --> 00:26:23,460
uh D knows I'm 30 seconds on any given

692
00:26:26,990 --> 00:26:25,020
day from just saying screw it it's all

693
00:26:29,210 --> 00:26:27,000
paranormal I'm out I'm gonna go draw

694
00:26:31,190 --> 00:26:29,220
Spider-Man or something because it's

695
00:26:33,409 --> 00:26:31,200
you know because it's the easiest way to

696
00:26:35,210 --> 00:26:33,419
just say well if it's paranormal then

697
00:26:36,529 --> 00:26:35,220
you can't we can't observe it

698
00:26:40,250 --> 00:26:36,539
objectively

699
00:26:42,169 --> 00:26:40,260
so then okay then I'm out I just need to

700
00:26:43,970 --> 00:26:42,179
know that it exists don't play with the

701
00:26:46,909 --> 00:26:43,980
fairies and I'm out you know I'm good

702
00:26:48,169 --> 00:26:46,919
all you know I can move on with my life

703
00:26:49,850 --> 00:26:48,179
um I'm not quite there yet because

704
00:26:52,730 --> 00:26:49,860
there's enough there that it looks like

705
00:26:55,190 --> 00:26:52,740
there is still a physical natural react

706
00:26:58,070 --> 00:26:55,200
not just physical but a natural reality

707
00:26:59,269 --> 00:26:58,080
to some Cryptids

708
00:27:01,070 --> 00:26:59,279
um and the other stuff's clearly

709
00:27:02,570 --> 00:27:01,080
paranormal and I'm happy to you know you

710
00:27:04,730 --> 00:27:02,580
go do your paranormal things over there

711
00:27:06,110 --> 00:27:04,740
I don't want you know I I ain't getting

712
00:27:08,750 --> 00:27:06,120
no hitchhikers

713
00:27:11,750 --> 00:27:08,760
um so yeah to the question could could

714
00:27:14,810 --> 00:27:11,760
what I have seen been

715
00:27:17,870 --> 00:27:14,820
something again along the lines of Fae

716
00:27:18,890 --> 00:27:17,880
taking that form yeah I'd be an idiot to

717
00:27:24,310 --> 00:27:18,900
say no

718
00:27:27,169 --> 00:27:24,320
but when I look at the consistency of

719
00:27:29,990 --> 00:27:27,179
appearance situation everyone says the

720
00:27:32,870 --> 00:27:30,000
same thing it's they think it's a heron

721
00:27:34,490 --> 00:27:32,880
or a pelican I got one owl one time but

722
00:27:36,409 --> 00:27:34,500
it's only because it was at night right

723
00:27:39,350 --> 00:27:36,419
you don't expect herons to be flying

724
00:27:41,870 --> 00:27:39,360
around at night it's the consistency of

725
00:27:44,269 --> 00:27:41,880
description I'm thinking okay this feels

726
00:27:46,669 --> 00:27:44,279
more like a real uh tangible creature

727
00:27:49,370 --> 00:27:46,679
but certainly that real until the body

728
00:27:51,230 --> 00:27:49,380
pops up I can't rule that out

729
00:27:54,590 --> 00:27:51,240
yeah until we can poke one with a stick

730
00:27:57,350 --> 00:27:54,600
I'm you know I I'd be an idiot to say

731
00:27:59,930 --> 00:27:57,360
that the the FAE or some sort of Glamor

732
00:28:01,730 --> 00:27:59,940
isn't you know folding into this whole

733
00:28:03,409 --> 00:28:01,740
phenomena

734
00:28:05,630 --> 00:28:03,419
uh the other thing that I'd like to

735
00:28:07,789 --> 00:28:05,640
bring up the idea as well too is the

736
00:28:10,909 --> 00:28:07,799
idea that they're they're natural you

737
00:28:12,470 --> 00:28:10,919
know that these are creatures within our

738
00:28:14,269 --> 00:28:12,480
world we just simply don't understand

739
00:28:16,130 --> 00:28:14,279
them you know that's the another real

740
00:28:18,230 --> 00:28:16,140
possibility so when we talk about any

741
00:28:20,750 --> 00:28:18,240
kind of obscure Cryptids there's also

742
00:28:23,330 --> 00:28:20,760
that idea that these are simply natural

743
00:28:25,430 --> 00:28:23,340
animals that are beyond our sphere of

744
00:28:28,789 --> 00:28:25,440
knowledge because we've not put one down

745
00:28:31,870 --> 00:28:28,799
on the table and dissected it as of yet

746
00:28:34,010 --> 00:28:31,880
yeah well you know this also comes into

747
00:28:37,430 --> 00:28:34,020
some of the questions that we have

748
00:28:40,970 --> 00:28:37,440
gotten with the Chicago Wing humanoid

749
00:28:43,730 --> 00:28:40,980
sightings is do these things

750
00:28:46,909 --> 00:28:43,740
allow certain people to see them is is

751
00:28:49,490 --> 00:28:46,919
the um are they only perceived by

752
00:28:53,269 --> 00:28:49,500
certain folks

753
00:28:56,149 --> 00:28:53,279
I think historically we live in a in the

754
00:28:58,730 --> 00:28:56,159
modern world in modernity we live with a

755
00:29:01,130 --> 00:28:58,740
different sense of what the cosmology

756
00:29:03,649 --> 00:29:01,140
that we exist in is I think people a

757
00:29:06,110 --> 00:29:03,659
couple hundred years ago didn't have the

758
00:29:09,649 --> 00:29:06,120
same problem with demarcating between

759
00:29:11,630 --> 00:29:09,659
what's physically real and what uh say

760
00:29:13,130 --> 00:29:11,640
the fairies or paranormal or something

761
00:29:14,210 --> 00:29:13,140
else there was an understanding there

762
00:29:16,250 --> 00:29:14,220
was a different

763
00:29:17,750 --> 00:29:16,260
and difference in the nature of these

764
00:29:20,090 --> 00:29:17,760
things that manifested all these things

765
00:29:22,070 --> 00:29:20,100
which we interacted with but today we

766
00:29:24,769 --> 00:29:22,080
seem to be very obsessed with putting

767
00:29:26,570 --> 00:29:24,779
things in boxes it's just part of that

768
00:29:28,250 --> 00:29:26,580
kind of post-modernity

769
00:29:29,330 --> 00:29:28,260
um that we live in or modernity however

770
00:29:30,769 --> 00:29:29,340
you want to think of it there's one

771
00:29:33,110 --> 00:29:30,779
interestingly just where we're talking

772
00:29:35,210 --> 00:29:33,120
about the fairy and fairies and Cryptids

773
00:29:36,950 --> 00:29:35,220
there's a fascinating little tale I was

774
00:29:39,130 --> 00:29:36,960
going to bring up tonight which kind of

775
00:29:42,529 --> 00:29:39,140
shows how it can fit Both Worlds

776
00:29:43,669 --> 00:29:42,539
traditionally in Ireland and also in

777
00:29:46,070 --> 00:29:43,679
most of the British Isles people

778
00:29:47,630 --> 00:29:46,080
consider black dogs big black dogs to be

779
00:29:50,570 --> 00:29:47,640
paranormal an island particularly

780
00:29:52,610 --> 00:29:50,580
they're thought of to be to be part of

781
00:29:54,289 --> 00:29:52,620
the she maybe a fair it can manifest as

782
00:29:56,029 --> 00:29:54,299
anything and it's manifested as a big

783
00:29:57,470 --> 00:29:56,039
black dog like a puka kind of can be

784
00:29:59,450 --> 00:29:57,480
different things but there's a

785
00:30:01,909 --> 00:29:59,460
fascinating story which Eddie lenihan

786
00:30:04,549 --> 00:30:01,919
tells of somebody he supposedly spent

787
00:30:06,289 --> 00:30:04,559
150 hours or has 150 hours of tape

788
00:30:08,149 --> 00:30:06,299
recording interview with an old man in

789
00:30:10,190 --> 00:30:08,159
Ireland that he felt was a very

790
00:30:12,590 --> 00:30:10,200
confident and very assured and very

791
00:30:14,149 --> 00:30:12,600
rational witness and that man told the

792
00:30:16,850 --> 00:30:14,159
story of a dog the size of a [\h__\h]

793
00:30:19,010 --> 00:30:16,860
course that was essentially terrorizing

794
00:30:21,590 --> 00:30:19,020
an Irish bridge at night so that people

795
00:30:23,210 --> 00:30:21,600
couldn't go over the bridge and

796
00:30:25,130 --> 00:30:23,220
eventually one thing led to another and

797
00:30:27,169 --> 00:30:25,140
supposedly the dog was confronted by the

798
00:30:29,269 --> 00:30:27,179
priest and the dog died or was killed

799
00:30:31,370 --> 00:30:29,279
anyway up to that point it sounds like

800
00:30:33,830 --> 00:30:31,380
it's just part of a standard fairy tale

801
00:30:37,310 --> 00:30:33,840
but supposedly the body of that thing

802
00:30:40,010 --> 00:30:37,320
was found in the the crick or the stream

803
00:30:42,289 --> 00:30:40,020
which flowed out to the nearby coast and

804
00:30:44,930 --> 00:30:42,299
people from Miles and Miles Away came to

805
00:30:45,830 --> 00:30:44,940
look at this dog-sized horse until and

806
00:30:47,630 --> 00:30:45,840
they didn't want to touch it and

807
00:30:49,850 --> 00:30:47,640
eventually it was just washed out to sea

808
00:30:52,070 --> 00:30:49,860
so that gives another sense perhaps of

809
00:30:54,289 --> 00:30:52,080
normally we would we'd have to demarcate

810
00:30:56,210 --> 00:30:54,299
between that is it is it fairy is it

811
00:30:58,250 --> 00:30:56,220
real maybe maybe when things become

812
00:31:00,049 --> 00:30:58,260
physical they can stay physical I mean

813
00:31:02,210 --> 00:31:00,059
these are things it's all speculation of

814
00:31:04,370 --> 00:31:02,220
course but we tend to We tend to force

815
00:31:05,990 --> 00:31:04,380
ourselves to think within certain modes

816
00:31:08,269 --> 00:31:06,000
and I think sometimes that's a real

817
00:31:09,769 --> 00:31:08,279
problem going forward looking at any of

818
00:31:11,450 --> 00:31:09,779
this kind of stuff

819
00:31:12,950 --> 00:31:11,460
yeah the little Jake the sword that

820
00:31:15,350 --> 00:31:12,960
Jason brought up earlier too about the

821
00:31:16,549 --> 00:31:15,360
owl that transformed into a woman you

822
00:31:19,010 --> 00:31:16,559
know if we were in the working the

823
00:31:22,070 --> 00:31:19,020
islands and talked about you know uh the

824
00:31:23,570 --> 00:31:22,080
uh uh you know the sealed people you

825
00:31:24,409 --> 00:31:23,580
know yeah we talked about that kind of

826
00:31:26,210 --> 00:31:24,419
stuff

827
00:31:28,909 --> 00:31:26,220
um then that it's falling in the same

828
00:31:31,250 --> 00:31:28,919
suit it's that same idea that they are

829
00:31:33,529 --> 00:31:31,260
some sort of Supernatural entity but

830
00:31:35,210 --> 00:31:33,539
whenever they they re that they take

831
00:31:37,789 --> 00:31:35,220
that they take that off you know

832
00:31:40,070 --> 00:31:37,799
whenever they remove that kind of Glamor

833
00:31:42,049 --> 00:31:40,080
then they enter a physicality where they

834
00:31:43,730 --> 00:31:42,059
can actually interact with us and

835
00:31:45,350 --> 00:31:43,740
somehow even be under our control at

836
00:31:46,490 --> 00:31:45,360
that point as well

837
00:31:49,430 --> 00:31:46,500
yeah

838
00:31:53,210 --> 00:31:49,440
we got a question from Eric he wants he

839
00:31:56,029 --> 00:31:53,220
asked pukazar reality

840
00:31:58,370 --> 00:31:56,039
well I mean I I tend to think that it's

841
00:32:01,250 --> 00:31:58,380
as as real as anything else in the past

842
00:32:03,649 --> 00:32:01,260
normal field I agree with that yeah and

843
00:32:06,049 --> 00:32:03,659
I I grew up on Harvey as well so I was

844
00:32:09,470 --> 00:32:06,059
pretty I was preconditioned to to

845
00:32:11,630 --> 00:32:09,480
believe in yeah no I want to uh this

846
00:32:13,370 --> 00:32:11,640
this is quite a fascinating thing too if

847
00:32:15,889 --> 00:32:13,380
you go up to the Bridgewater Triangle

848
00:32:18,049 --> 00:32:15,899
the creatures up there is the puck

849
00:32:20,090 --> 00:32:18,059
wedgie which is very similar to

850
00:32:22,610 --> 00:32:20,100
something uh whenever it comes that and

851
00:32:24,590 --> 00:32:22,620
it's it's separated by time and space uh

852
00:32:26,630 --> 00:32:24,600
so you know it it certainly that's a

853
00:32:28,010 --> 00:32:26,640
wampano uh language you know so that's

854
00:32:29,630 --> 00:32:28,020
something that the other Native

855
00:32:31,430 --> 00:32:29,640
Americans that in the uh in that area

856
00:32:34,190 --> 00:32:31,440
call them but wouldn't it be fascinating

857
00:32:36,049 --> 00:32:34,200
if this is the the name that these

858
00:32:38,450 --> 00:32:36,059
creatures go by and it just kind of get

859
00:32:40,310 --> 00:32:38,460
passed on in different languages around

860
00:32:42,350 --> 00:32:40,320
the world again and again but we're

861
00:32:44,750 --> 00:32:42,360
coming close to the word of Puka you

862
00:32:48,350 --> 00:32:44,760
know the idea of like that's that comes

863
00:32:50,630 --> 00:32:48,360
down to uh their actual names yeah you

864
00:32:55,149 --> 00:32:50,640
know I saw the movie did did James

865
00:33:00,230 --> 00:32:58,310
oh I forgot about that yeah absolutely

866
00:33:02,690 --> 00:33:00,240
yeah jeez

867
00:33:04,190 --> 00:33:02,700
that's been a long time about that

868
00:33:05,750 --> 00:33:04,200
entirely it's one of my daughter's

869
00:33:09,649 --> 00:33:05,760
favorites now too because I introduced

870
00:33:11,330 --> 00:33:09,659
her to it recently really yeah

871
00:33:14,210 --> 00:33:11,340
I don't think I've had I've seen that

872
00:33:15,190 --> 00:33:14,220
since I was a kid I was about to say

873
00:33:17,690 --> 00:33:15,200
yeah

874
00:33:21,909 --> 00:33:17,700
30 years for that one I don't want to

875
00:33:21,919 --> 00:33:27,610
going back to these

876
00:33:33,110 --> 00:33:30,590
you know pick certain people to see them

877
00:33:35,450 --> 00:33:33,120
that brings back a memory that I had

878
00:33:37,789 --> 00:33:35,460
like my I lived in this house on Laurel

879
00:33:39,409 --> 00:33:37,799
Mountain I'm sure Laura lawn and Ronald

880
00:33:40,370 --> 00:33:39,419
you guys are familiar with Laurel

881
00:33:43,549 --> 00:33:40,380
Mountain

882
00:33:46,070 --> 00:33:43,559
and there was a shadow man in that house

883
00:33:48,649 --> 00:33:46,080
and I was the only one seeing things my

884
00:33:50,570 --> 00:33:48,659
grandmother my mom didn't my mom had her

885
00:33:52,850 --> 00:33:50,580
two friends over and they came in my

886
00:33:55,370 --> 00:33:52,860
room and my mom's like they were talking

887
00:33:57,590 --> 00:33:55,380
and she's like she thinks it's haunted

888
00:33:59,149 --> 00:33:57,600
there's a man in here and I looked at

889
00:34:01,669 --> 00:33:59,159
them and I said there is a man in here

890
00:34:03,350 --> 00:34:01,679
and I had my window open Laurel Mountain

891
00:34:05,570 --> 00:34:03,360
there's nobody there people from

892
00:34:07,130 --> 00:34:05,580
Pittsburgh come up for the summer maybe

893
00:34:08,270 --> 00:34:07,140
the winter if you're lucky but otherwise

894
00:34:09,770 --> 00:34:08,280
if you live there you're around you're

895
00:34:11,270 --> 00:34:09,780
basically by yourself

896
00:34:13,190 --> 00:34:11,280
they're like there's no ghost here

897
00:34:14,450 --> 00:34:13,200
there's there's nothing she's like 10

898
00:34:16,790 --> 00:34:14,460
you know

899
00:34:19,190 --> 00:34:16,800
there was a man laughing right outside

900
00:34:21,230 --> 00:34:19,200
the window clear as day

901
00:34:23,030 --> 00:34:21,240
they went to the window they looked out

902
00:34:24,829 --> 00:34:23,040
it was like a one you know there's

903
00:34:25,909 --> 00:34:24,839
there's a one-story house there's nobody

904
00:34:27,649 --> 00:34:25,919
there

905
00:34:30,109 --> 00:34:27,659
the look on their face they never came

906
00:34:32,450 --> 00:34:30,119
back they never talked to my mom again

907
00:34:34,990 --> 00:34:32,460
and my mom's like what what was that I'm

908
00:34:37,190 --> 00:34:35,000
like I told you there was somebody here

909
00:34:38,810 --> 00:34:37,200
you know and you could have heard them

910
00:34:40,790 --> 00:34:38,820
run because it was Woods you could hear

911
00:34:43,730 --> 00:34:40,800
somebody run off if somebody was there

912
00:34:49,070 --> 00:34:43,740
you know being a jerk and trying to but

913
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:51,849
yeah

914
00:34:56,570 --> 00:34:55,070
is the tell that I told about the man uh

915
00:34:59,390 --> 00:34:56,580
experiences in those two things he

916
00:35:07,990 --> 00:34:59,400
thought were brownies is about 10 miles

917
00:35:11,329 --> 00:35:10,069
yeah it was right over there on the

918
00:35:12,890 --> 00:35:11,339
Chestnut Ridge so the Little Mountain

919
00:35:14,690 --> 00:35:12,900
you were probably up there you're quite

920
00:35:17,290 --> 00:35:14,700
near like um wind running things like

921
00:35:20,270 --> 00:35:17,300
that is that where you were yeah

922
00:35:22,310 --> 00:35:20,280
yeah maybe even less than 10 miles where

923
00:35:24,589 --> 00:35:22,320
that other incident took place

924
00:35:26,750 --> 00:35:24,599
wow yeah

925
00:35:28,250 --> 00:35:26,760
that yeah because we we lived in two

926
00:35:31,130 --> 00:35:28,260
different houses on that mountain in

927
00:35:32,210 --> 00:35:31,140
each house there was something yes so

928
00:35:34,130 --> 00:35:32,220
gentlemen let me ask you another

929
00:35:36,530 --> 00:35:34,140
question here real quick because uh and

930
00:35:39,230 --> 00:35:36,540
Jason you did a great deal of

931
00:35:41,569 --> 00:35:39,240
explanation concerning the geography and

932
00:35:44,210 --> 00:35:41,579
what's your uh situation took place and

933
00:35:46,849 --> 00:35:44,220
and now deed so is it possible these

934
00:35:49,670 --> 00:35:46,859
creatures can be manifested from the the

935
00:35:51,530 --> 00:35:49,680
Earth itself geographically geologically

936
00:35:53,750 --> 00:35:51,540
is there something going on in your

937
00:35:55,550 --> 00:35:53,760
particular parts of the world that it

938
00:35:58,550 --> 00:35:55,560
allows these kind of manifestations to

939
00:36:01,430 --> 00:35:58,560
take place because in our area we're

940
00:36:03,890 --> 00:36:01,440
very rich in Limestone and granite and

941
00:36:05,750 --> 00:36:03,900
it seems as if the Earth was able to

942
00:36:08,210 --> 00:36:05,760
manifest these things

943
00:36:10,970 --> 00:36:08,220
so that's actually a that's something

944
00:36:12,770 --> 00:36:10,980
I've really really thought about

945
00:36:14,990 --> 00:36:12,780
um for several reasons one we do a lot

946
00:36:17,870 --> 00:36:15,000
of research out of brown Springs and

947
00:36:19,490 --> 00:36:17,880
again Brown spring there is a spring on

948
00:36:21,890 --> 00:36:19,500
the Limestone again where I was

949
00:36:23,750 --> 00:36:21,900
limestone and I have several accounts

950
00:36:27,410 --> 00:36:23,760
coming out of the not just of the

951
00:36:29,750 --> 00:36:27,420
pterosaurs but of Bigfoot being seen in

952
00:36:31,790 --> 00:36:29,760
and around the 10 Mile Creek using the

953
00:36:35,450 --> 00:36:31,800
10 Mile Creek and now I'm starting to

954
00:36:37,370 --> 00:36:35,460
get dogmen stories out of it so don't

955
00:36:40,970 --> 00:36:37,380
don't get me wrong that absolutely

956
00:36:43,270 --> 00:36:40,980
flipped every alarm Bell in my head on

957
00:36:45,470 --> 00:36:43,280
that because it's like you know

958
00:36:47,630 --> 00:36:45,480
what's the uh what's the Murphy's Law of

959
00:36:50,930 --> 00:36:47,640
combat once is a once as an accident

960
00:36:54,069 --> 00:36:50,940
twice as it can is a uh

961
00:36:56,630 --> 00:36:54,079
not convenience oh I cannot talk tonight

962
00:36:59,569 --> 00:36:56,640
I I haven't gotten a lot of sleep lately

963
00:37:01,069 --> 00:36:59,579
uh dang it of course now it's only

964
00:37:04,010 --> 00:37:01,079
because I'm on a I'm on air but third

965
00:37:05,750 --> 00:37:04,020
time is enemy action right and it's like

966
00:37:07,609 --> 00:37:05,760
you could chalk up the Bigfoot thing

967
00:37:09,349 --> 00:37:07,619
because they we know they use Rivers and

968
00:37:10,730 --> 00:37:09,359
Creeks right like there's an explanation

969
00:37:12,770 --> 00:37:10,740
to some of it

970
00:37:15,230 --> 00:37:12,780
but to have all these things sort of

971
00:37:18,410 --> 00:37:15,240
happening in the same place it does beg

972
00:37:21,410 --> 00:37:18,420
that question is there something uh

973
00:37:23,150 --> 00:37:21,420
again is this all different phenomena

974
00:37:25,310 --> 00:37:23,160
happening for different reasons or is it

975
00:37:27,050 --> 00:37:25,320
all one phenomena manifesting in

976
00:37:28,790 --> 00:37:27,060
different ways I don't have a good

977
00:37:31,250 --> 00:37:28,800
answer for you like like I said earlier

978
00:37:32,930 --> 00:37:31,260
I'm 30 seconds away on any day from just

979
00:37:34,810 --> 00:37:32,940
saying nope it's all paranormal I'm out

980
00:37:37,030 --> 00:37:34,820
right right

981
00:37:39,349 --> 00:37:37,040
yeah

982
00:37:41,089 --> 00:37:39,359
no I was just gonna say where where I

983
00:37:42,890 --> 00:37:41,099
grew up in Sydney I'm not sure what the

984
00:37:45,170 --> 00:37:42,900
Limestone content was but I know we were

985
00:37:46,910 --> 00:37:45,180
on Bedrock you couldn't dig more than

986
00:37:49,190 --> 00:37:46,920
you know six inches into the ground and

987
00:37:51,170 --> 00:37:49,200
hit Solid Rock on the house where I was

988
00:37:53,390 --> 00:37:51,180
but but of course Stone type Theory

989
00:37:55,730 --> 00:37:53,400
plays an awful lot in paranormal

990
00:37:58,130 --> 00:37:55,740
investigations and paranormal and ideas

991
00:37:59,930 --> 00:37:58,140
of ghost manifestations as well I think

992
00:38:02,089 --> 00:37:59,940
that's why it's worth as you're

993
00:38:04,069 --> 00:38:02,099
suggesting Ronald to look at these

994
00:38:05,510 --> 00:38:04,079
potentials as well because if we can if

995
00:38:07,250 --> 00:38:05,520
there is some kind of link between

996
00:38:08,930 --> 00:38:07,260
manifestations of Bigfoot or

997
00:38:10,490 --> 00:38:08,940
manifestations of fair folk or

998
00:38:12,349 --> 00:38:10,500
manifestations of terrorist or as well

999
00:38:14,810 --> 00:38:12,359
as me manifestations of what people are

1000
00:38:17,690 --> 00:38:14,820
taking to be the dead then we we come

1001
00:38:19,190 --> 00:38:17,700
closer to a type of holistic approach

1002
00:38:20,510 --> 00:38:19,200
which is what something which I think

1003
00:38:21,710 --> 00:38:20,520
this field needs because I think an

1004
00:38:24,290 --> 00:38:21,720
awful lot of these things are

1005
00:38:26,690 --> 00:38:24,300
interconnected which people tend to you

1006
00:38:29,510 --> 00:38:26,700
know get off into their own little areas

1007
00:38:30,890 --> 00:38:29,520
I agree 100 uh one thing that we're

1008
00:38:32,210 --> 00:38:30,900
missing in the United States and

1009
00:38:34,490 --> 00:38:32,220
probably missing in the Australian

1010
00:38:36,230 --> 00:38:34,500
continent as well too is that Great

1011
00:38:38,630 --> 00:38:36,240
British tradition that European

1012
00:38:41,270 --> 00:38:38,640
tradition of Ley lines you know these

1013
00:38:43,490 --> 00:38:41,280
ideas with PowerPoints uh and if you

1014
00:38:45,650 --> 00:38:43,500
would go to certain areas where these

1015
00:38:48,349 --> 00:38:45,660
Ley lines are supposed to have this

1016
00:38:50,510 --> 00:38:48,359
outpouring of of energies you'll see

1017
00:38:52,250 --> 00:38:50,520
Pagan sites were built there and on top

1018
00:38:54,230 --> 00:38:52,260
of those sites there were you know Roman

1019
00:38:56,810 --> 00:38:54,240
Catholic churches built we don't have

1020
00:38:58,370 --> 00:38:56,820
that in America but what we do have is

1021
00:39:00,530 --> 00:38:58,380
things that were left over by the

1022
00:39:04,370 --> 00:39:00,540
Aboriginal peoples in this area such as

1023
00:39:06,230 --> 00:39:04,380
the mound builders and what we find in a

1024
00:39:09,710 --> 00:39:06,240
startling relations to the mound

1025
00:39:12,170 --> 00:39:09,720
builders is Dogman encounters as if they

1026
00:39:13,430 --> 00:39:12,180
were the manifestations of this area as

1027
00:39:15,770 --> 00:39:13,440
well too

1028
00:39:17,450 --> 00:39:15,780
um and what is odd about the dog man is

1029
00:39:18,950 --> 00:39:17,460
that you know it's often you you would

1030
00:39:20,690 --> 00:39:18,960
think that it's not it deals with

1031
00:39:22,970 --> 00:39:20,700
funerary aspects and deals with the

1032
00:39:24,410 --> 00:39:22,980
Abode of the dead and if we take our

1033
00:39:26,329 --> 00:39:24,420
little pencil and we start connecting

1034
00:39:28,130 --> 00:39:26,339
the dots we can go right over to Egypt

1035
00:39:30,170 --> 00:39:28,140
and see Anubis carrying on the exact

1036
00:39:33,170 --> 00:39:30,180
same tradition so there's something

1037
00:39:34,790 --> 00:39:33,180
about this idea why different cultures

1038
00:39:38,569 --> 00:39:34,800
who like I said through time and space

1039
00:39:40,130 --> 00:39:38,579
connect these certain creatures with

1040
00:39:42,589 --> 00:39:40,140
different areas so if we're talking

1041
00:39:44,810 --> 00:39:42,599
about Cryptids that we're also talking

1042
00:39:47,450 --> 00:39:44,820
about something based within our

1043
00:39:49,190 --> 00:39:47,460
psychology as well too because we are

1044
00:39:52,190 --> 00:39:49,200
attaching them unless they're attaching

1045
00:39:54,950 --> 00:39:52,200
themselves to it we are attaching them

1046
00:39:57,410 --> 00:39:54,960
to certain areas you know and that is

1047
00:39:58,970 --> 00:39:57,420
truly remarkable as well too even if

1048
00:40:01,490 --> 00:39:58,980
they're not flesh and blood animals even

1049
00:40:03,050 --> 00:40:01,500
if they are simply figments of our

1050
00:40:04,370 --> 00:40:03,060
imagination let us say let's just play

1051
00:40:06,410 --> 00:40:04,380
The Devil's Advocate there for a second

1052
00:40:08,930 --> 00:40:06,420
then what we're saying is over the past

1053
00:40:12,530 --> 00:40:08,940
five thousand years different cultures

1054
00:40:14,569 --> 00:40:12,540
are are looking at their environment and

1055
00:40:17,450 --> 00:40:14,579
they're creating these dog man creatures

1056
00:40:18,890 --> 00:40:17,460
and making them have similar

1057
00:40:21,770 --> 00:40:18,900
um you know occupations with those

1058
00:40:23,569 --> 00:40:21,780
environments that's crazy to think

1059
00:40:24,770 --> 00:40:23,579
let me let me help you out with that

1060
00:40:26,510 --> 00:40:24,780
because that's actually something we've

1061
00:40:30,170 --> 00:40:26,520
been dealing with as well over on our

1062
00:40:32,210 --> 00:40:30,180
Channel and uh so I-35 right on the late

1063
00:40:33,589 --> 00:40:32,220
line brown Springs is at an intersection

1064
00:40:36,950 --> 00:40:33,599
of the late line and of course Brown

1065
00:40:38,089 --> 00:40:36,960
Springs is a is a burial mound in fact

1066
00:40:39,470 --> 00:40:38,099
when the first time I was there looks

1067
00:40:41,510 --> 00:40:39,480
like I'm like this is a barrel Mount I

1068
00:40:42,950 --> 00:40:41,520
know what I'm looking at there's don't

1069
00:40:44,450 --> 00:40:42,960
want to get it off off on that but yeah

1070
00:40:46,849 --> 00:40:44,460
I know what I'm looking at when I'm

1071
00:40:48,349 --> 00:40:46,859
talking about in a burial mound so it's

1072
00:40:50,150 --> 00:40:48,359
one of those things where to your point

1073
00:40:52,310 --> 00:40:50,160
these things all interconnect that's

1074
00:40:54,109 --> 00:40:52,320
like uh so real quick uh purple Hobbit

1075
00:40:55,790 --> 00:40:54,119
Michigan I got several stories of

1076
00:40:58,069 --> 00:40:55,800
pterosaurs out of Michigan I I would

1077
00:41:02,150 --> 00:40:58,079
argue the the original sighting of the

1078
00:41:04,130 --> 00:41:02,160
Jersey Devil is a pterosaur uh so yeah I

1079
00:41:05,870 --> 00:41:04,140
mean they go anywhere Charlemagne the

1080
00:41:07,370 --> 00:41:05,880
God talked about seeing them in Georgia

1081
00:41:09,170 --> 00:41:07,380
and I've got a lot of accounts out of

1082
00:41:11,810 --> 00:41:09,180
Georgia these things are everywhere but

1083
00:41:14,270 --> 00:41:11,820
to your point I think this is where you

1084
00:41:16,490 --> 00:41:14,280
know it's like we don't have answers but

1085
00:41:18,530 --> 00:41:16,500
we have are a lot of really interesting

1086
00:41:20,990 --> 00:41:18,540
things that we do need to to Dean's

1087
00:41:22,010 --> 00:41:21,000
point take a holistic look on we need to

1088
00:41:23,750 --> 00:41:22,020
be willing to ask the question questions

1089
00:41:25,609 --> 00:41:23,760
like what if none of this is physical

1090
00:41:27,849 --> 00:41:25,619
and

1091
00:41:30,530 --> 00:41:27,859
or rather what if it's not all natural

1092
00:41:31,849 --> 00:41:30,540
but there does seem to be evidence that

1093
00:41:33,829 --> 00:41:31,859
some of this is you know they're natural

1094
00:41:36,050 --> 00:41:33,839
animals some of them are not we need to

1095
00:41:37,910 --> 00:41:36,060
we need to I think go backwards a little

1096
00:41:40,130 --> 00:41:37,920
bit and take things out of the boxes

1097
00:41:41,930 --> 00:41:40,140
Dean was talking about right I mean

1098
00:41:43,670 --> 00:41:41,940
don't be wrong I like my Amazon box I

1099
00:41:46,370 --> 00:41:43,680
get to put things in but sometimes you

1100
00:41:47,450 --> 00:41:46,380
gotta bust it out and let them and let

1101
00:41:49,970 --> 00:41:47,460
them fly

1102
00:41:52,250 --> 00:41:49,980
Bernadette's awfully quiet I want to

1103
00:41:56,089 --> 00:41:52,260
hear from her though

1104
00:42:00,410 --> 00:41:56,099
did you ever beat up a dog man

1105
00:42:01,790 --> 00:42:00,420
I have not so lawn has actually given my

1106
00:42:04,670 --> 00:42:01,800
boyfriend Nia case

1107
00:42:05,690 --> 00:42:04,680
to go out near Wilmore and we had found

1108
00:42:08,390 --> 00:42:05,700
tracks

1109
00:42:10,250 --> 00:42:08,400
and while my boyfriend he's an avid

1110
00:42:11,990 --> 00:42:10,260
Hunter so he was looking at the tracks

1111
00:42:13,970 --> 00:42:12,000
and he's like this isn't a bear this

1112
00:42:15,710 --> 00:42:13,980
isn't he's like literally talking to

1113
00:42:17,870 --> 00:42:15,720
himself and I'm just like well I don't

1114
00:42:19,609 --> 00:42:17,880
know what it is it's huge I've never

1115
00:42:23,210 --> 00:42:19,619
seen anything like it this is your area

1116
00:42:25,490 --> 00:42:23,220
not mine and I hear noise to the left of

1117
00:42:28,670 --> 00:42:25,500
me because we were near a creek and

1118
00:42:31,190 --> 00:42:28,680
everything and then I hear like flapping

1119
00:42:33,950 --> 00:42:31,200
and I go to turn and it's like you know

1120
00:42:35,810 --> 00:42:33,960
when somebody brushes up on you and you

1121
00:42:37,790 --> 00:42:35,820
can feel like that person's gonna Rush

1122
00:42:39,530 --> 00:42:37,800
up on you and grab you I had that

1123
00:42:41,329 --> 00:42:39,540
feeling and I turned and I just screamed

1124
00:42:42,890 --> 00:42:41,339
because whatever it was was on you know

1125
00:42:43,790 --> 00:42:42,900
gonna be on top of me and there was

1126
00:42:46,010 --> 00:42:43,800
nothing

1127
00:42:47,270 --> 00:42:46,020
like I heard the footsteps after the

1128
00:42:49,490 --> 00:42:47,280
flapping

1129
00:42:51,170 --> 00:42:49,500
and there was nothing

1130
00:42:52,790 --> 00:42:51,180
and I like he's like what are you

1131
00:42:54,410 --> 00:42:52,800
screaming for and I'm like you didn't

1132
00:42:56,530 --> 00:42:54,420
hear that you didn't hear any of that

1133
00:42:58,670 --> 00:42:56,540
he's like no

1134
00:43:01,250 --> 00:42:58,680
you know I'm like I know what I heard

1135
00:43:03,650 --> 00:43:01,260
and it was just dead quiet there was no

1136
00:43:07,010 --> 00:43:03,660
bugs there's no birds

1137
00:43:12,109 --> 00:43:07,020
nothing it was just dead the entire time

1138
00:43:15,650 --> 00:43:14,089
no you got better debt I'm sorry no I

1139
00:43:22,010 --> 00:43:15,660
didn't mean to cut it no I was just

1140
00:43:25,970 --> 00:43:24,650
yeah he went back and he said it was it

1141
00:43:28,670 --> 00:43:25,980
was totally different he said there were

1142
00:43:29,930 --> 00:43:28,680
Birds there were bugs he said it was

1143
00:43:31,370 --> 00:43:29,940
like a totally different place when he

1144
00:43:34,010 --> 00:43:31,380
went back to Jack and they had found

1145
00:43:36,950 --> 00:43:34,020
another footprint

1146
00:43:38,690 --> 00:43:36,960
so he's gonna go out there now and check

1147
00:43:41,349 --> 00:43:38,700
right you know during right before

1148
00:43:43,670 --> 00:43:41,359
hunting season

1149
00:43:45,770 --> 00:43:43,680
I was just going to say it's interesting

1150
00:43:47,750 --> 00:43:45,780
that um that Vincent pulled up the hide

1151
00:43:48,950 --> 00:43:47,760
behind picture which yeah which I had

1152
00:43:51,050 --> 00:43:48,960
sent through because I wanted to mention

1153
00:43:53,150 --> 00:43:51,060
the hide behind and your your case

1154
00:43:54,650 --> 00:43:53,160
sounds not that not unlike that hide

1155
00:43:56,750 --> 00:43:54,660
behind straight we tend it with those

1156
00:43:59,210 --> 00:43:56,760
hide behind Stories We tend to think of

1157
00:44:00,950 --> 00:43:59,220
a lot of the type of weird Critters

1158
00:44:02,510 --> 00:44:00,960
stories which were published in books

1159
00:44:05,089 --> 00:44:02,520
like fearsome creatures of the lumber

1160
00:44:06,589 --> 00:44:05,099
Woods by Cox and uh tyrants fearsome

1161
00:44:08,930 --> 00:44:06,599
Critters and recently of course the

1162
00:44:10,970 --> 00:44:08,940
wonderful Chad Lewis's Lumberjack

1163
00:44:13,069 --> 00:44:10,980
creatures of the North Woods that a lot

1164
00:44:15,170 --> 00:44:13,079
of those were just Tall Tales told by

1165
00:44:17,569 --> 00:44:15,180
you know Lumberjacks out you know doing

1166
00:44:19,730 --> 00:44:17,579
their stuff to scare the the new

1167
00:44:21,349 --> 00:44:19,740
recruits but one can't help but Wonder

1168
00:44:22,670 --> 00:44:21,359
because there's several there's not

1169
00:44:24,349 --> 00:44:22,680
there's a lot of them which are clearly

1170
00:44:27,710 --> 00:44:24,359
Tall Tales but things like the hide

1171
00:44:30,230 --> 00:44:27,720
behind seem to be

1172
00:44:32,150 --> 00:44:30,240
at least to a degree an on-point

1173
00:44:35,210 --> 00:44:32,160
description if not if not the entity

1174
00:44:37,069 --> 00:44:35,220
itself the experience of people feeling

1175
00:44:39,890 --> 00:44:37,079
something near them that they can't see

1176
00:44:42,290 --> 00:44:39,900
and or and people people disappearing

1177
00:44:44,510 --> 00:44:42,300
you can't help but think about the

1178
00:44:46,430 --> 00:44:44,520
report by Bruce maccabee's wife which is

1179
00:44:48,950 --> 00:44:46,440
which David Pilates covers in missing

1180
00:44:51,170 --> 00:44:48,960
4-1-1 the hunted when she sees like this

1181
00:44:52,730 --> 00:44:51,180
Predator type thing out in the woods you

1182
00:44:55,370 --> 00:44:52,740
know this thing with this invisible type

1183
00:44:58,510 --> 00:44:55,380
Predator Shield one wonders if those

1184
00:45:01,250 --> 00:44:58,520
type of experiences if somebody had had

1185
00:45:02,690 --> 00:45:01,260
experienced something like that 100 200

1186
00:45:04,190 --> 00:45:02,700
years ago how would you have described

1187
00:45:05,930 --> 00:45:04,200
that something that was so thin it could

1188
00:45:08,809 --> 00:45:05,940
hide behind trees maybe or something

1189
00:45:11,089 --> 00:45:08,819
that you couldn't see so the hide behind

1190
00:45:13,130 --> 00:45:11,099
like a number of other stories from

1191
00:45:14,930 --> 00:45:13,140
those those Lumberjack and fearsome

1192
00:45:16,849 --> 00:45:14,940
credit books like the whirling wimpus

1193
00:45:18,530 --> 00:45:16,859
which was meant to it's all it's before

1194
00:45:20,630 --> 00:45:18,540
Bigfoot's even talked about it's a

1195
00:45:23,569 --> 00:45:20,640
Bigfoot type creature it is an aprilight

1196
00:45:25,849 --> 00:45:23,579
creature that supposedly Waits at a bend

1197
00:45:27,170 --> 00:45:25,859
on the trail and then spins around so

1198
00:45:29,030 --> 00:45:27,180
fast you can't see it and you're

1199
00:45:31,130 --> 00:45:29,040
disappeared and and all you can hear is

1200
00:45:33,290 --> 00:45:31,140
this weird droning sound again like the

1201
00:45:35,450 --> 00:45:33,300
type of things politis talks about in

1202
00:45:37,130 --> 00:45:35,460
missing 4-1-1 so you have to wonder

1203
00:45:39,829 --> 00:45:37,140
again these things come down to us as

1204
00:45:41,450 --> 00:45:39,839
tall tall tales but there are there are

1205
00:45:43,250 --> 00:45:41,460
things which we recognize as people

1206
00:45:44,990 --> 00:45:43,260
interested in this this type of

1207
00:45:47,329 --> 00:45:45,000
phenomena or these type of phenomena now

1208
00:45:50,089 --> 00:45:47,339
we recognize Bigfoot type creatures we

1209
00:45:52,250 --> 00:45:50,099
recognize things that people hear behind

1210
00:45:53,990 --> 00:45:52,260
them and they can't you know identify

1211
00:45:56,450 --> 00:45:54,000
what it is and we're attaching these

1212
00:45:58,370 --> 00:45:56,460
type of entities to weird disappearances

1213
00:45:59,990 --> 00:45:58,380
in the woods one other one quickly and

1214
00:46:01,309 --> 00:46:00,000
then we can you guys can talk about it

1215
00:46:03,710 --> 00:46:01,319
we can leave it behind is the Agro

1216
00:46:06,349 --> 00:46:03,720
pelter the Agro Pelt is a monkey-like

1217
00:46:08,390 --> 00:46:06,359
creature which supposedly threw you know

1218
00:46:11,450 --> 00:46:08,400
wood and other things that people out

1219
00:46:12,829 --> 00:46:11,460
there in the North Woods and obviously

1220
00:46:14,569 --> 00:46:12,839
it brings to mind of course that

1221
00:46:16,609 --> 00:46:14,579
sasquatches are meant to throw things at

1222
00:46:18,950 --> 00:46:16,619
people but also there's a long tradition

1223
00:46:22,130 --> 00:46:18,960
of devil monkeys throughout all of North

1224
00:46:24,230 --> 00:46:22,140
America in Alaska through Canada down

1225
00:46:25,849 --> 00:46:24,240
all the way into Arizona everywhere has

1226
00:46:27,589 --> 00:46:25,859
these stories of things which don't seem

1227
00:46:29,210 --> 00:46:27,599
to be Bigfoot they often have tails and

1228
00:46:30,589 --> 00:46:29,220
Native Americans often talked about

1229
00:46:32,809 --> 00:46:30,599
fighting and killing these things

1230
00:46:35,210 --> 00:46:32,819
hammerson Peters writes about it I think

1231
00:46:37,910 --> 00:46:35,220
in his mystery is it is it Alaskan

1232
00:46:40,370 --> 00:46:37,920
Mysteries or mysteries of Alaska's most

1233
00:46:43,670 --> 00:46:40,380
recent volume three I I I always dig his

1234
00:46:45,770 --> 00:46:43,680
stuff but he talks about native tribes

1235
00:46:47,030 --> 00:46:45,780
having Legends of having to flush these

1236
00:46:48,109 --> 00:46:47,040
things out and kill them and they didn't

1237
00:46:49,370 --> 00:46:48,119
call them monkeys because they didn't

1238
00:46:51,589 --> 00:46:49,380
know what a monkey was but they were

1239
00:46:54,050 --> 00:46:51,599
small man-like beings with Tails and

1240
00:46:56,150 --> 00:46:54,060
covered with with fur and today people

1241
00:46:58,069 --> 00:46:56,160
still have these kind of encounters so

1242
00:47:00,230 --> 00:46:58,079
when you look at those old weird

1243
00:47:02,390 --> 00:47:00,240
Lumberjack Legends you wonder how much

1244
00:47:05,270 --> 00:47:02,400
of it was based on something and you

1245
00:47:07,010 --> 00:47:05,280
didn't have fox or CNN or Phantoms and

1246
00:47:09,230 --> 00:47:07,020
monsters to report it to it just went

1247
00:47:11,210 --> 00:47:09,240
around you know it just went around the

1248
00:47:13,010 --> 00:47:11,220
campfire and got weirder and weirder but

1249
00:47:14,930 --> 00:47:13,020
these these people were out in the woods

1250
00:47:17,569 --> 00:47:14,940
where no you know where no white man had

1251
00:47:19,370 --> 00:47:17,579
ever had ever tried before Lord knows

1252
00:47:21,950 --> 00:47:19,380
what they were experiencing back then

1253
00:47:24,170 --> 00:47:21,960
yeah on the agriculture I'm actually a

1254
00:47:26,210 --> 00:47:24,180
big fan of the idea that that may those

1255
00:47:29,390 --> 00:47:26,220
may have just been encounters with uh

1256
00:47:30,710 --> 00:47:29,400
juvenile Bigfoot but to the point you do

1257
00:47:32,030 --> 00:47:30,720
have the rest of these stories of these

1258
00:47:34,730 --> 00:47:32,040
devil monkeys going all the way up to

1259
00:47:36,890 --> 00:47:34,740
Alaska none of it makes sense from our

1260
00:47:39,650 --> 00:47:36,900
view right the sort of the modern view

1261
00:47:41,990 --> 00:47:39,660
but to burned its Point your story hold

1262
00:47:43,849 --> 00:47:42,000
on I have a whole stick for this in my

1263
00:47:45,589 --> 00:47:43,859
book Metroplex monsters Dallas demons

1264
00:47:46,849 --> 00:47:45,599
Fort Worth Goatman and other Terrors of

1265
00:47:49,550 --> 00:47:46,859
the tourney River available wherever

1266
00:47:52,250 --> 00:47:49,560
find books and trashy Rags are sold

1267
00:47:54,609 --> 00:47:52,260
um the the story that I told you or that

1268
00:47:57,589 --> 00:47:54,619
I mentioned earlier about the the uh the

1269
00:47:59,390 --> 00:47:57,599
lechuza your story is very very similar

1270
00:48:01,309 --> 00:47:59,400
to that and the fact that this thing was

1271
00:48:04,490 --> 00:48:01,319
clearly physical it was bouncing around

1272
00:48:06,829 --> 00:48:04,500
on trees right terrorizing her this

1273
00:48:08,630 --> 00:48:06,839
young lady and her friend so much so

1274
00:48:11,510 --> 00:48:08,640
that her friend her friend looked her

1275
00:48:14,510 --> 00:48:11,520
and said look your aunt's the witch this

1276
00:48:16,790 --> 00:48:14,520
thing's coming from you I'm out in runs

1277
00:48:18,890 --> 00:48:16,800
and so this thing was really bending the

1278
00:48:21,349 --> 00:48:18,900
trees and she was running up to her to

1279
00:48:24,230 --> 00:48:21,359
get into the house her aunt opens the

1280
00:48:26,750 --> 00:48:24,240
door and she says she screams at her at

1281
00:48:30,170 --> 00:48:26,760
her at her niece the the eyewitness

1282
00:48:32,750 --> 00:48:30,180
don't turn around don't look back right

1283
00:48:35,450 --> 00:48:32,760
because she's uh she was a kirandara for

1284
00:48:37,130 --> 00:48:35,460
oh cliff and of course the eyewitness

1285
00:48:40,970 --> 00:48:37,140
says you know like a dumbass I turned

1286
00:48:43,609 --> 00:48:40,980
around and saw this thing this bird had

1287
00:48:45,950 --> 00:48:43,619
bird with the human face the tree was

1288
00:48:48,170 --> 00:48:45,960
bending over this thing was clearly a

1289
00:48:49,670 --> 00:48:48,180
physical creature it had weight it was

1290
00:48:51,710 --> 00:48:49,680
affecting the world around it it was

1291
00:48:55,490 --> 00:48:51,720
bending things over it was tapping on

1292
00:48:59,809 --> 00:48:55,500
her window but it followed her for the

1293
00:49:04,309 --> 00:49:01,730
and and she'd hear the flapping of wings

1294
00:49:07,550 --> 00:49:04,319
when she was in a movie theater

1295
00:49:09,710 --> 00:49:07,560
and the West End like it's clearly not a

1296
00:49:11,690 --> 00:49:09,720
material creature and it's and she was

1297
00:49:13,010 --> 00:49:11,700
the only one hearing it when it was when

1298
00:49:14,450 --> 00:49:13,020
she was in the movie theater when she

1299
00:49:15,530 --> 00:49:14,460
was somewhere else she was the only one

1300
00:49:17,630 --> 00:49:15,540
who could hear the tapping of the Wings

1301
00:49:20,089 --> 00:49:17,640
but for that moment when it was physical

1302
00:49:22,069 --> 00:49:20,099
her friend heard it and terrified her

1303
00:49:24,650 --> 00:49:22,079
and scared her off her aunt saw it she

1304
00:49:27,650 --> 00:49:24,660
started throwing charms and oils and

1305
00:49:30,770 --> 00:49:27,660
holy water probably a tamale at it like

1306
00:49:33,050 --> 00:49:30,780
it was you know and she was swearing and

1307
00:49:35,150 --> 00:49:33,060
praying in Spanish at the same time like

1308
00:49:37,790 --> 00:49:35,160
it was like this was a real physical

1309
00:49:40,130 --> 00:49:37,800
thing that impacted the world and yet it

1310
00:49:41,930 --> 00:49:40,140
is very very clearly paranormal and when

1311
00:49:43,790 --> 00:49:41,940
it was paranormal she was the only one

1312
00:49:47,210 --> 00:49:43,800
who could see it or who could perceive

1313
00:49:49,790 --> 00:49:47,220
it being in there in the area so I mean

1314
00:49:52,490 --> 00:49:49,800
Bernadette to your point I that's that

1315
00:49:53,510 --> 00:49:52,500
story sounds very very familiar right it

1316
00:49:55,430 --> 00:49:53,520
sounds

1317
00:49:57,950 --> 00:49:55,440
like I mean there again this is a

1318
00:50:00,710 --> 00:49:57,960
holistically connected phenomena that

1319
00:50:03,589 --> 00:50:00,720
perhaps appears in different forms

1320
00:50:05,569 --> 00:50:03,599
depending on location or beliefs or who

1321
00:50:09,950 --> 00:50:05,579
knows whatever

1322
00:50:11,569 --> 00:50:09,960
and you know very strange oh sorry go

1323
00:50:14,150 --> 00:50:11,579
ahead it's very strange you say that

1324
00:50:17,510 --> 00:50:14,160
Jason because when we had talked to the

1325
00:50:19,910 --> 00:50:17,520
witness afterwards you know we just had

1326
00:50:21,950 --> 00:50:19,920
randomly said you know have you had any

1327
00:50:24,230 --> 00:50:21,960
other encounters besides this you know

1328
00:50:26,630 --> 00:50:24,240
anything in the family and he got very

1329
00:50:29,270 --> 00:50:26,640
quiet and he's like I kind of said to my

1330
00:50:30,589 --> 00:50:29,280
dad offhandedly what happened and I he's

1331
00:50:32,390 --> 00:50:30,599
like I thought my dad was going to tell

1332
00:50:34,550 --> 00:50:32,400
me I was crazy and he looked he said my

1333
00:50:36,530 --> 00:50:34,560
dad looked at me and he said no you're

1334
00:50:38,450 --> 00:50:36,540
not because I've had an encounter just

1335
00:50:40,190 --> 00:50:38,460
down the road with a winged humanoid

1336
00:50:42,589 --> 00:50:40,200
well he didn't call it one humanoid but

1337
00:50:44,990 --> 00:50:42,599
he said that's what it was

1338
00:50:46,130 --> 00:50:45,000
and like my boyfriend we were both

1339
00:50:49,309 --> 00:50:46,140
shocked

1340
00:50:52,250 --> 00:50:49,319
so I mean maybe maybe it's appearing

1341
00:50:53,930 --> 00:50:52,260
whatever it is like you said you know to

1342
00:50:55,609 --> 00:50:53,940
different people oh I've got three

1343
00:50:58,549 --> 00:50:55,619
different accounts in over two months

1344
00:50:59,809 --> 00:50:58,559
period of a gargoyle

1345
00:51:02,089 --> 00:50:59,819
I mean

1346
00:51:04,130 --> 00:51:02,099
it really is one of those things where

1347
00:51:05,630 --> 00:51:04,140
you're like okay people are seeing these

1348
00:51:08,690 --> 00:51:05,640
things and they've clearly seen them

1349
00:51:10,609 --> 00:51:08,700
since the dawn of time the lechuza is

1350
00:51:13,190 --> 00:51:10,619
just I would argue the same is it's it's

1351
00:51:16,130 --> 00:51:13,200
the same thing as the as the Greek Harpy

1352
00:51:19,069 --> 00:51:16,140
it's the same thing as uh you know you

1353
00:51:21,230 --> 00:51:19,079
can see the the overlap with uh uh

1354
00:51:25,069 --> 00:51:21,240
Lilith from the Hebrew like in in the

1355
00:51:27,170 --> 00:51:25,079
Sumerians this stuff goes all the way

1356
00:51:29,750 --> 00:51:27,180
back and we're just to Dean's point

1357
00:51:32,809 --> 00:51:29,760
maybe the bigger problem is that us in

1358
00:51:35,930 --> 00:51:32,819
our modernity our view of things

1359
00:51:37,549 --> 00:51:35,940
maybe it's our that's our problem is

1360
00:51:39,290 --> 00:51:37,559
that we're creating a box and if it

1361
00:51:41,030 --> 00:51:39,300
doesn't fit we'd want to ignore it

1362
00:51:43,549 --> 00:51:41,040
instead of recognizing there are things

1363
00:51:44,930 --> 00:51:43,559
that don't fit in our box

1364
00:51:48,290 --> 00:51:44,940
right

1365
00:51:50,210 --> 00:51:48,300
I do like that I do like that because

1366
00:51:52,430 --> 00:51:50,220
um that that is a good way for uh

1367
00:51:53,870 --> 00:51:52,440
science to uh step out of this because

1368
00:51:56,210 --> 00:51:53,880
the conversation we're having right now

1369
00:51:57,470 --> 00:51:56,220
could be carried on in an academic

1370
00:51:59,210 --> 00:51:57,480
setting there's no reason why it

1371
00:52:01,309 --> 00:51:59,220
couldn't be because we're discussing

1372
00:52:03,470 --> 00:52:01,319
folklore we're discussing you know uh

1373
00:52:06,230 --> 00:52:03,480
the way that the Earth can manifest uh

1374
00:52:07,549 --> 00:52:06,240
certain situations and such but science

1375
00:52:09,829 --> 00:52:07,559
doesn't like to look at this kind of

1376
00:52:11,329 --> 00:52:09,839
stuff because they can't hold it down

1377
00:52:13,910 --> 00:52:11,339
correct I mean it doesn't make any sense

1378
00:52:15,589 --> 00:52:13,920
to them but I I do think that that is

1379
00:52:17,770 --> 00:52:15,599
what's going on I think that all these

1380
00:52:20,450 --> 00:52:17,780
things have

1381
00:52:22,010 --> 00:52:20,460
there's something rationally irrational

1382
00:52:25,790 --> 00:52:22,020
about all this stuff if that makes any

1383
00:52:27,170 --> 00:52:25,800
sense yeah no it does well so this is

1384
00:52:29,210 --> 00:52:27,180
the thing I've

1385
00:52:30,829 --> 00:52:29,220
again I don't want to get too far off on

1386
00:52:33,410 --> 00:52:30,839
the subject but this is one of the big

1387
00:52:34,430 --> 00:52:33,420
bigger problems uh one thing I talk

1388
00:52:36,849 --> 00:52:34,440
about is like we don't have the

1389
00:52:39,770 --> 00:52:36,859
spookatron 5000 that we can actually

1390
00:52:42,589 --> 00:52:39,780
observe objectively paranormal phenomena

1391
00:52:44,450 --> 00:52:42,599
if you go back 500 years before the

1392
00:52:46,970 --> 00:52:44,460
invention of the microscope and you told

1393
00:52:49,190 --> 00:52:46,980
somebody the reason they got sick was

1394
00:52:50,930 --> 00:52:49,200
because there were tiny animals so small

1395
00:52:52,970 --> 00:52:50,940
that they that they were invisible to

1396
00:52:55,130 --> 00:52:52,980
the eye they look at you like you were

1397
00:52:58,329 --> 00:52:55,140
crazy the best scientists of the time

1398
00:53:01,250 --> 00:52:58,339
would say you're a crazy person right

1399
00:53:02,930 --> 00:53:01,260
the problem is modern the modern

1400
00:53:04,430 --> 00:53:02,940
Academia

1401
00:53:06,470 --> 00:53:04,440
doesn't like this stuff because they

1402
00:53:08,569 --> 00:53:06,480
have a very they have a very specific

1403
00:53:12,049 --> 00:53:08,579
world view and that world view is what

1404
00:53:13,910 --> 00:53:12,059
is is what is taught right they uh there

1405
00:53:15,530 --> 00:53:13,920
is you know I I like to argue it's not

1406
00:53:16,730 --> 00:53:15,540
that there's no the fight isn't between

1407
00:53:19,250 --> 00:53:16,740
science and religion it's between

1408
00:53:22,150 --> 00:53:19,260
religion and religion we have a we have

1409
00:53:24,230 --> 00:53:22,160
a we have a a naturalist darwinian

1410
00:53:26,030 --> 00:53:24,240
atheistic perspective of the universe

1411
00:53:28,490 --> 00:53:26,040
that is officially taught in anything

1412
00:53:30,410 --> 00:53:28,500
that falls outside that box has to be

1413
00:53:33,230 --> 00:53:30,420
cut off because it quite it brings that

1414
00:53:35,510 --> 00:53:33,240
entire box the nice little Amazon box

1415
00:53:38,270 --> 00:53:35,520
everyone's got it in it calls that whole

1416
00:53:40,730 --> 00:53:38,280
box into question so these these

1417
00:53:42,650 --> 00:53:40,740
sightings these encounters because

1418
00:53:44,870 --> 00:53:42,660
they're outside of that box they don't

1419
00:53:47,210 --> 00:53:44,880
want them because the their very

1420
00:53:48,710 --> 00:53:47,220
existence calls to question the validity

1421
00:53:49,970 --> 00:53:48,720
of the box that they've put everything

1422
00:53:53,510 --> 00:53:49,980
in

1423
00:53:55,569 --> 00:53:53,520
most of us probably like to consider

1424
00:53:58,250 --> 00:53:55,579
ourselves fortins of one type or another

1425
00:54:01,130 --> 00:53:58,260
that the great granddaddy of all of this

1426
00:54:02,690 --> 00:54:01,140
Charles fought despite him perhaps best

1427
00:54:05,210 --> 00:54:02,700
being recognized as somebody who

1428
00:54:08,329 --> 00:54:05,220
collected and collated anomalous you

1429
00:54:11,089 --> 00:54:08,339
know Tales what his main gist was is

1430
00:54:13,010 --> 00:54:11,099
that science was incapable of handling

1431
00:54:14,270 --> 00:54:13,020
any of these things and why he picked

1432
00:54:16,430 --> 00:54:14,280
them is because he liked to have a jab

1433
00:54:18,710 --> 00:54:16,440
at science because science is Thomas

1434
00:54:20,750 --> 00:54:18,720
Kuhn the famous philosopher philosopher

1435
00:54:22,970 --> 00:54:20,760
of science would say almost 50 years

1436
00:54:25,609 --> 00:54:22,980
after Tom after Charles Ford had already

1437
00:54:27,950 --> 00:54:25,619
said it science Works in paradigms it

1438
00:54:29,329 --> 00:54:27,960
isn't something that we all imagine when

1439
00:54:30,710 --> 00:54:29,339
we're little and we're taught through

1440
00:54:32,750 --> 00:54:30,720
grade school and even if we do the

1441
00:54:34,970 --> 00:54:32,760
Sciences in University that science

1442
00:54:36,230 --> 00:54:34,980
grows you know with one person and

1443
00:54:37,670 --> 00:54:36,240
finding something and then somebody

1444
00:54:39,589 --> 00:54:37,680
stands on his shoulders and then

1445
00:54:41,930 --> 00:54:39,599
somebody stands on her shoulders and so

1446
00:54:45,410 --> 00:54:41,940
on and so on and so on and we get closer

1447
00:54:47,630 --> 00:54:45,420
to reality a paradigm becomes popular

1448
00:54:49,370 --> 00:54:47,640
because it's popular it becomes dominant

1449
00:54:51,290 --> 00:54:49,380
because the popular scientists the

1450
00:54:53,150 --> 00:54:51,300
popular kids and in the establishment

1451
00:54:55,130 --> 00:54:53,160
get on board and anybody else who wants

1452
00:54:56,809 --> 00:54:55,140
to work in the establishment follows

1453
00:54:58,609 --> 00:54:56,819
suit and then the rest of the science is

1454
00:55:00,530 --> 00:54:58,619
done within that Paradigm it's mop-up

1455
00:55:02,690 --> 00:55:00,540
work people working inside the Paradigm

1456
00:55:04,309 --> 00:55:02,700
to make the facts fit the Paradigm now

1457
00:55:06,530 --> 00:55:04,319
eventually that Paradigm Cannon does

1458
00:55:09,230 --> 00:55:06,540
collapse but the new paradigm that

1459
00:55:11,809 --> 00:55:09,240
replaces it isn't necessarily any closer

1460
00:55:14,750 --> 00:55:11,819
to reality than the previous Paradigm or

1461
00:55:16,910 --> 00:55:14,760
any better or any truer it just explains

1462
00:55:18,650 --> 00:55:16,920
the cracks a little better and that one

1463
00:55:20,690 --> 00:55:18,660
comes about by a conversionary

1464
00:55:22,250 --> 00:55:20,700
experience it becomes popular and so

1465
00:55:24,470 --> 00:55:22,260
people are converted to jump on the new

1466
00:55:26,870 --> 00:55:24,480
paradigm so my problem with science

1467
00:55:28,910 --> 00:55:26,880
period is we can't talk about science

1468
00:55:31,730 --> 00:55:28,920
without talking about the human element

1469
00:55:34,609 --> 00:55:31,740
of science right and any human endeavor

1470
00:55:37,670 --> 00:55:34,619
is sociological it's always contaminated

1471
00:55:39,589 --> 00:55:37,680
by biases and by the desire to be on top

1472
00:55:41,510 --> 00:55:39,599
or the desire to be liked or the desire

1473
00:55:43,370 --> 00:55:41,520
to be popular or the desire to get your

1474
00:55:45,770 --> 00:55:43,380
you know to get your foot in the door or

1475
00:55:47,630 --> 00:55:45,780
want to stay on top or whatever so I

1476
00:55:49,250 --> 00:55:47,640
can't see science dealing with a lot of

1477
00:55:50,990 --> 00:55:49,260
these things out I'm like Charles Fort

1478
00:55:52,609 --> 00:55:51,000
still I don't think we come any closer

1479
00:55:54,410 --> 00:55:52,619
since Fort wrote you know book of the

1480
00:55:55,730 --> 00:55:54,420
Damned and so on and I don't think we're

1481
00:55:58,010 --> 00:55:55,740
going to get any closer with the

1482
00:56:01,430 --> 00:55:58,020
scientific model I just don't that's my

1483
00:56:03,589 --> 00:56:01,440
terribly pessimistic science position

1484
00:56:04,609 --> 00:56:03,599
well let me ask this

1485
00:56:06,890 --> 00:56:04,619
um

1486
00:56:09,170 --> 00:56:06,900
you're speaking about Bruce McAfee and

1487
00:56:12,470 --> 00:56:09,180
his way most white particular scene the

1488
00:56:15,109 --> 00:56:12,480
uh the Glimmer Man effect or what people

1489
00:56:18,290 --> 00:56:15,119
some people used to call it glass scene

1490
00:56:20,809 --> 00:56:18,300
uh do you think that is uh do you think

1491
00:56:23,390 --> 00:56:20,819
it's a cloaking

1492
00:56:26,270 --> 00:56:23,400
something they use to cloak these beings

1493
00:56:28,730 --> 00:56:26,280
or whatever used to cloak or or do you

1494
00:56:30,710 --> 00:56:28,740
thinking it's something else I mean

1495
00:56:33,290 --> 00:56:30,720
you know it's interesting I had been

1496
00:56:36,710 --> 00:56:33,300
looking into this um

1497
00:56:40,069 --> 00:56:36,720
this flying manta ray phenomenon now for

1498
00:56:43,730 --> 00:56:40,079
about a dozen years yeah and uh I have

1499
00:56:47,329 --> 00:56:43,740
had at least two sightings

1500
00:56:49,670 --> 00:56:47,339
uh where people have even mentioned this

1501
00:56:53,030 --> 00:56:49,680
glassing effect with them now of course

1502
00:56:55,549 --> 00:56:53,040
we hear people talking about uh well

1503
00:56:58,609 --> 00:56:55,559
maybe bigfooted or other Cryptids are

1504
00:57:01,549 --> 00:56:58,619
using it as some type of uh some type of

1505
00:57:03,650 --> 00:57:01,559
cloaking uh you know I think the guy who

1506
00:57:06,109 --> 00:57:03,660
did the Predator movies must have had an

1507
00:57:08,930 --> 00:57:06,119
encounter sometime down in his life of

1508
00:57:10,549 --> 00:57:08,940
something I mean it's pretty astounding

1509
00:57:13,430 --> 00:57:10,559
how many people

1510
00:57:16,430 --> 00:57:13,440
since that movie has was actually

1511
00:57:20,270 --> 00:57:16,440
released and still coming out have seen

1512
00:57:22,549 --> 00:57:20,280
these these glassine type beings

1513
00:57:25,490 --> 00:57:22,559
I wonder if it's not so much a cloaking

1514
00:57:27,410 --> 00:57:25,500
device as it is US seeing something

1515
00:57:29,809 --> 00:57:27,420
which isn't fully formed or it's

1516
00:57:31,309 --> 00:57:29,819
deciding not not to show itself to us

1517
00:57:33,950 --> 00:57:31,319
the way that Ronald before was talking

1518
00:57:36,109 --> 00:57:33,960
about fairy glamor and the like I mean

1519
00:57:37,849 --> 00:57:36,119
it's very hard for us to say what any of

1520
00:57:40,490 --> 00:57:37,859
these things are but if they come and go

1521
00:57:43,370 --> 00:57:40,500
and I tend to think that they do tend to

1522
00:57:45,530 --> 00:57:43,380
to come here whatever that means and

1523
00:57:48,410 --> 00:57:45,540
have some physical impact but then they

1524
00:57:50,809 --> 00:57:48,420
don't leave any lasting bodies or

1525
00:57:52,609 --> 00:57:50,819
ashtrays from UFO crashes that we ever

1526
00:57:55,849 --> 00:57:52,619
find or you know anything which is ever

1527
00:57:58,250 --> 00:57:55,859
scientifically analyzable or is ever

1528
00:58:00,470 --> 00:57:58,260
fight the final word so I wonder if when

1529
00:58:02,690 --> 00:58:00,480
we see those images or we see those

1530
00:58:04,970 --> 00:58:02,700
flashes if it's just it in its more

1531
00:58:07,069 --> 00:58:04,980
natural form maybe or it coming between

1532
00:58:09,170 --> 00:58:07,079
somehow or it hasn't put on what it

1533
00:58:10,910 --> 00:58:09,180
wants to show us yet I mean that's just

1534
00:58:12,890 --> 00:58:10,920
a total speculation but I think all of

1535
00:58:15,049 --> 00:58:12,900
this stuff's just speculation well it

1536
00:58:16,849 --> 00:58:15,059
clearly is but what if and let's let's

1537
00:58:18,230 --> 00:58:16,859
continue down the speculation since

1538
00:58:19,730 --> 00:58:18,240
we're not going to talk about the I

1539
00:58:22,609 --> 00:58:19,740
really want to talk about the Cadbury

1540
00:58:25,549 --> 00:58:22,619
Source because I like my eggs but

1541
00:58:27,950 --> 00:58:25,559
um you know what if so let's let's take

1542
00:58:31,190 --> 00:58:27,960
this one step further to Ron and your

1543
00:58:33,290 --> 00:58:31,200
points what if the reason we see this

1544
00:58:35,990 --> 00:58:33,300
Predator effect is because of the movie

1545
00:58:38,630 --> 00:58:36,000
Predator it has given us something to

1546
00:58:40,690 --> 00:58:38,640
see because where this is where the this

1547
00:58:43,190 --> 00:58:40,700
is where that that serve realm because

1548
00:58:45,410 --> 00:58:43,200
particularly for the Paranormal becomes

1549
00:58:48,289 --> 00:58:45,420
again what's it what is the difference

1550
00:58:50,809 --> 00:58:48,299
between a tulpa and a being that already

1551
00:58:52,789 --> 00:58:50,819
exists taking that form right because

1552
00:58:53,990 --> 00:58:52,799
it's our popular belief or our popular

1553
00:58:56,930 --> 00:58:54,000
thoughts

1554
00:58:58,970 --> 00:58:56,940
what if it simply allows that idea

1555
00:59:01,309 --> 00:58:58,980
allows us to actually perceive it in

1556
00:59:03,710 --> 00:59:01,319
that form so it's both a thought form

1557
00:59:05,569 --> 00:59:03,720
and a separate entity all the same time

1558
00:59:07,970 --> 00:59:05,579
maybe a lot of these things don't

1559
00:59:11,270 --> 00:59:07,980
actually have natural forms in the way

1560
00:59:13,430 --> 00:59:11,280
we would understand them and so our our

1561
00:59:16,250 --> 00:59:13,440
assumptions about the universe our

1562
00:59:19,010 --> 00:59:16,260
cultural context is what Allah is what

1563
00:59:20,990 --> 00:59:19,020
gives these things form

1564
00:59:23,270 --> 00:59:21,000
of a type so maybe the reason we're

1565
00:59:25,250 --> 00:59:23,280
seeing the pre this Predator glimmer is

1566
00:59:27,230 --> 00:59:25,260
because the Predator movie exists and so

1567
00:59:29,089 --> 00:59:27,240
that's in someone's head now absolutely

1568
00:59:31,910 --> 00:59:29,099
I mean it could be a thought form I mean

1569
00:59:34,250 --> 00:59:31,920
we you know this whole subject of

1570
00:59:36,230 --> 00:59:34,260
thought form comes up a lot of times I

1571
00:59:39,470 --> 00:59:36,240
mean even with um

1572
00:59:41,809 --> 00:59:39,480
well basically with uh Poltergeist but

1573
00:59:44,210 --> 00:59:41,819
you know that's basically a thought form

1574
00:59:46,309 --> 00:59:44,220
and you know of course in the Cryptid

1575
00:59:49,309 --> 00:59:46,319
world we we hear about it all the time

1576
00:59:50,770 --> 00:59:49,319
you you mentioned japa's Creepers type

1577
00:59:52,970 --> 00:59:50,780
beings

1578
00:59:55,069 --> 00:59:52,980
after that film people were seeing

1579
00:59:58,789 --> 00:59:55,079
Jeepers Creepers creatures yeah you know

1580
01:00:01,370 --> 00:59:58,799
what I I I would say that 30 percent of

1581
01:00:03,170 --> 01:00:01,380
the sightings of these Wing beings in

1582
01:00:06,950 --> 01:00:03,180
Chicago have been described as either

1583
01:00:09,789 --> 01:00:06,960
gargoyle or the Jeepers Creepers yeah

1584
01:00:12,530 --> 01:00:09,799
creature

1585
01:00:14,510 --> 01:00:12,540
so you know you know people do make

1586
01:00:17,809 --> 01:00:14,520
references to what they know

1587
01:00:20,809 --> 01:00:17,819
uh you know that doesn't surprise me but

1588
01:00:21,549 --> 01:00:20,819
it's interesting how their perception of

1589
01:00:25,069 --> 01:00:21,559
it

1590
01:00:26,150 --> 01:00:25,079
inclusive details what you know what the

1591
01:00:30,170 --> 01:00:26,160
uh

1592
01:00:32,450 --> 01:00:30,180
you know of a of a animated or fictional

1593
01:00:33,890 --> 01:00:32,460
character would look like

1594
01:00:35,870 --> 01:00:33,900
well I think if you give something

1595
01:00:38,510 --> 01:00:35,880
enough energy you'll bring it to life

1596
01:00:41,450 --> 01:00:38,520
well that may be true I mean yeah but

1597
01:00:44,210 --> 01:00:41,460
like and I hope the kids are in bed but

1598
01:00:46,250 --> 01:00:44,220
like Santa Claus I can give you that

1599
01:00:47,510 --> 01:00:46,260
Santa Claus what's your what are you

1600
01:00:50,510 --> 01:00:47,520
saying about Santa Claus yeah what's

1601
01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:56,990
what are you trying to get at Bernadette

1602
01:01:00,289 --> 01:00:58,370
because the year my mother told me

1603
01:01:01,670 --> 01:01:00,299
something about Santa Claus and I kind

1604
01:01:05,089 --> 01:01:01,680
of told her

1605
01:01:06,230 --> 01:01:05,099
no you're lying it's not true you know

1606
01:01:09,589 --> 01:01:06,240
you'll see

1607
01:01:11,990 --> 01:01:09,599
so that night I went to bed and this was

1608
01:01:14,089 --> 01:01:12,000
this was on Laurel Mountain and for more

1609
01:01:16,789 --> 01:01:14,099
generous town is you could hear sleigh

1610
01:01:18,770 --> 01:01:16,799
bells in the distance

1611
01:01:21,410 --> 01:01:18,780
and they kept getting louder and louder

1612
01:01:23,329 --> 01:01:21,420
and louder and I shot up I ran in her

1613
01:01:25,609 --> 01:01:23,339
room and I'm like do you hear this she

1614
01:01:28,010 --> 01:01:25,619
slept with the TV on and she's like what

1615
01:01:30,650 --> 01:01:28,020
I'm like I shut the TV off she got very

1616
01:01:32,750 --> 01:01:30,660
mad and I'm like listen

1617
01:01:34,970 --> 01:01:32,760
and she just the color drained from her

1618
01:01:37,609 --> 01:01:34,980
face because I mean they were right over

1619
01:01:39,710 --> 01:01:37,619
the house and she was just the look on

1620
01:01:41,390 --> 01:01:39,720
her face was just I'm like let's go

1621
01:01:43,309 --> 01:01:41,400
outside it's him she's like you're not

1622
01:01:45,049 --> 01:01:43,319
leaving the house I don't know what that

1623
01:01:47,030 --> 01:01:45,059
is but you're not leaving this house and

1624
01:01:48,589 --> 01:01:47,040
I mean it was so loud and it just it

1625
01:01:49,549 --> 01:01:48,599
passed over like going towards

1626
01:01:52,490 --> 01:01:49,559
Greensburg

1627
01:01:54,049 --> 01:01:52,500
yeah and so yeah I had I had actually

1628
01:01:55,730 --> 01:01:54,059
told my boyfriend I'm like he's gonna

1629
01:01:58,609 --> 01:01:55,740
think I'm crazy he looked at me he said

1630
01:02:00,530 --> 01:01:58,619
no I heard them too he said there are

1631
01:02:05,410 --> 01:02:00,540
nothing on the Chestnut Ridge surprises

1632
01:02:10,010 --> 01:02:07,789
it's ridiculous

1633
01:02:12,289 --> 01:02:10,020
and that I mean I had I've never heard

1634
01:02:16,630 --> 01:02:12,299
anything since I never heard anything

1635
01:02:18,530 --> 01:02:16,640
after that but those they were so loud

1636
01:02:20,270 --> 01:02:18,540
it was

1637
01:02:21,950 --> 01:02:20,280
I don't know how else to describe it but

1638
01:02:23,829 --> 01:02:21,960
they were perfect sleigh bell sounds

1639
01:02:26,030 --> 01:02:23,839
just yeah

1640
01:02:28,190 --> 01:02:26,040
I think this kind of illustrate

1641
01:02:31,069 --> 01:02:28,200
illustrates the the biggest problem any

1642
01:02:33,289 --> 01:02:31,079
of us who are facing if we want to be

1643
01:02:35,870 --> 01:02:33,299
objective when we look at this stuff is

1644
01:02:38,569 --> 01:02:35,880
if we look at Santa Claus manifestations

1645
01:02:40,789 --> 01:02:38,579
or if we look at predator manifestations

1646
01:02:42,829 --> 01:02:40,799
or Jeepers Creepers manifestations then

1647
01:02:44,270 --> 01:02:42,839
we have to start looking at a lot more

1648
01:02:46,490 --> 01:02:44,280
we have to start looking at Great

1649
01:02:48,950 --> 01:02:46,500
extraterrestrial manifestations what was

1650
01:02:50,950 --> 01:02:48,960
the cultural contamination there we have

1651
01:02:52,970 --> 01:02:50,960
to start looking at ghostly Apparition

1652
01:02:55,069 --> 01:02:52,980
manifestations what's the cultural

1653
01:02:58,190 --> 01:02:55,079
contamination there what if everything

1654
01:03:00,650 --> 01:02:58,200
we see isn't what it it presents itself

1655
01:03:03,049 --> 01:03:00,660
to us as or how we perceive it to be

1656
01:03:05,089 --> 01:03:03,059
none of this might actually look like

1657
01:03:08,270 --> 01:03:05,099
the way it presents itself to us yeah

1658
01:03:10,970 --> 01:03:08,280
exactly yeah well I mean that's that's

1659
01:03:12,589 --> 01:03:10,980
okay before I say this Bernadette I

1660
01:03:14,870 --> 01:03:12,599
don't know why but I just have this week

1661
01:03:20,170 --> 01:03:14,880
I keep waiting for something to poke its

1662
01:03:24,549 --> 01:03:22,809
to just poke

1663
01:03:28,069 --> 01:03:24,559
places

1664
01:03:29,809 --> 01:03:28,079
you wouldn't be the first yeah okay so

1665
01:03:31,730 --> 01:03:29,819
you can be the first person I don't want

1666
01:03:32,950 --> 01:03:31,740
to jinx let me knock on some which I

1667
01:03:36,109 --> 01:03:32,960
don't even know if this is actual wood

1668
01:03:37,069 --> 01:03:36,119
it was a cheaply built home anyway but

1669
01:03:40,730 --> 01:03:37,079
yeah

1670
01:03:42,730 --> 01:03:40,740
just things that you talk to you know

1671
01:03:45,950 --> 01:03:42,740
you follow just about they don't like

1672
01:03:48,049 --> 01:03:45,960
this really bizarre stuff like when it's

1673
01:03:51,710 --> 01:03:48,059
like why is it I've got stories that are

1674
01:03:53,930 --> 01:03:51,720
textbook abduction cases right textbook

1675
01:03:56,870 --> 01:03:53,940
but are missing time

1676
01:03:58,130 --> 01:03:56,880
but it's a bird man that's involved or

1677
01:04:00,710 --> 01:03:58,140
it's something that looks like an actual

1678
01:04:03,349 --> 01:04:00,720
demon that's come through a wall right

1679
01:04:05,750 --> 01:04:03,359
it's like you have all this phenomena

1680
01:04:07,910 --> 01:04:05,760
and you you just like look maybe the

1681
01:04:09,950 --> 01:04:07,920
easier answer here is none of this is

1682
01:04:11,630 --> 01:04:09,960
what it looks like I mean that's even

1683
01:04:16,370 --> 01:04:11,640
um oh I can't the guy who wrote

1684
01:04:17,750 --> 01:04:16,380
communion uh yeah I have a story I don't

1685
01:04:18,950 --> 01:04:17,760
know if I can tell about him from his

1686
01:04:21,710 --> 01:04:18,960
childhood

1687
01:04:23,270 --> 01:04:21,720
um but it's like you start yeah even he

1688
01:04:25,069 --> 01:04:23,280
sort of admits hey this isn't what it

1689
01:04:26,390 --> 01:04:25,079
really is like it's not it's presenting

1690
01:04:28,730 --> 01:04:26,400
itself differently

1691
01:04:31,069 --> 01:04:28,740
once you understand that these things

1692
01:04:34,370 --> 01:04:31,079
may not be presenting themselves the way

1693
01:04:36,349 --> 01:04:34,380
they are then really a lot of the the

1694
01:04:38,150 --> 01:04:36,359
breakdown isn't what it looks like but

1695
01:04:40,010 --> 01:04:38,160
it's what it does

1696
01:04:42,049 --> 01:04:40,020
and that's when you start seeing a lot

1697
01:04:43,789 --> 01:04:42,059
of overlap on a lot of what we can what

1698
01:04:45,530 --> 01:04:43,799
we often break apart is well this is

1699
01:04:47,210 --> 01:04:45,540
encrypted and this is Paranormal and

1700
01:04:49,250 --> 01:04:47,220
this is ufological and it's like no no

1701
01:04:51,170 --> 01:04:49,260
it's all the same thing

1702
01:04:52,910 --> 01:04:51,180
it's doing the same thing it just looks

1703
01:04:54,829 --> 01:04:52,920
different and so we to Dean's point we

1704
01:04:56,750 --> 01:04:54,839
like to put them in a nice little you

1705
01:04:59,270 --> 01:04:56,760
know shoe box over here this one gets an

1706
01:05:01,069 --> 01:04:59,280
Amazon box this one gets something that

1707
01:05:02,809 --> 01:05:01,079
I got from Christmas last year you know

1708
01:05:04,250 --> 01:05:02,819
and so we think they're separate

1709
01:05:05,150 --> 01:05:04,260
phenomena but if you look at what they

1710
01:05:07,670 --> 01:05:05,160
do

1711
01:05:10,069 --> 01:05:07,680
they all be it all merges into one

1712
01:05:11,690 --> 01:05:10,079
phenomena but then we do see independent

1713
01:05:13,549 --> 01:05:11,700
phenomena from from that like you could

1714
01:05:14,930 --> 01:05:13,559
put a lot of this in this but then you

1715
01:05:16,069 --> 01:05:14,940
put a lot of this into this one so

1716
01:05:18,530 --> 01:05:16,079
you're like okay there's different

1717
01:05:20,630 --> 01:05:18,540
phenomena the problem is it's looking

1718
01:05:22,370 --> 01:05:20,640
different and we're we're so caught up

1719
01:05:24,950 --> 01:05:22,380
on what things look like or what people

1720
01:05:27,470 --> 01:05:24,960
report it to look like that we miss sort

1721
01:05:29,450 --> 01:05:27,480
of the obvious right and is that not

1722
01:05:32,089 --> 01:05:29,460
maybe ultimately the point

1723
01:05:35,270 --> 01:05:32,099
is that we'd miss the obvious that it's

1724
01:05:37,010 --> 01:05:35,280
all the same thing I think so I I get

1725
01:05:38,890 --> 01:05:37,020
what you're talking about and we as

1726
01:05:40,849 --> 01:05:38,900
human beings we also like to

1727
01:05:43,309 --> 01:05:40,859
anthropomorphize everything don't we we

1728
01:05:45,049 --> 01:05:43,319
have to say anything in our own image

1729
01:05:47,630 --> 01:05:45,059
like we even put God in our own image

1730
01:05:50,150 --> 01:05:47,640
didn't we so the idea that we take this

1731
01:05:52,849 --> 01:05:50,160
world and we try to make sense out of it

1732
01:05:55,309 --> 01:05:52,859
by projecting what we know onto it right

1733
01:05:58,250 --> 01:05:55,319
so if we were with Reverend Kirk out in

1734
01:06:01,010 --> 01:05:58,260
the woods that day in the 1600s we're

1735
01:06:03,470 --> 01:06:01,020
technologically advanced so immediately

1736
01:06:05,930 --> 01:06:03,480
the uh light at the side of the hill was

1737
01:06:08,150 --> 01:06:05,940
not a hill it's a UFO right yeah that's

1738
01:06:11,150 --> 01:06:08,160
the way our mind would work and I agree

1739
01:06:12,950 --> 01:06:11,160
with you 100 if we are dealing with

1740
01:06:16,370 --> 01:06:12,960
vibration if we are dealing with

1741
01:06:20,089 --> 01:06:16,380
frequency if we are somehow dealing with

1742
01:06:22,069 --> 01:06:20,099
living energy then we have to make sense

1743
01:06:23,510 --> 01:06:22,079
out of this in some way and when we

1744
01:06:24,950 --> 01:06:23,520
experience something like that we want

1745
01:06:26,630 --> 01:06:24,960
to project everything onto it because

1746
01:06:29,870 --> 01:06:26,640
our brain naturally wants to pick up

1747
01:06:31,549 --> 01:06:29,880
things that it recognizes and isn't it

1748
01:06:33,529 --> 01:06:31,559
kind of curious too that we don't have

1749
01:06:35,630 --> 01:06:33,539
any pictures of these things right or

1750
01:06:37,910 --> 01:06:35,640
very scant few pictures of these kind of

1751
01:06:40,010 --> 01:06:37,920
things maybe because like you had said

1752
01:06:42,289 --> 01:06:40,020
that they're not physically in that

1753
01:06:45,289 --> 01:06:42,299
shape before us we're putting you know

1754
01:06:47,210 --> 01:06:45,299
we're projecting what well two things

1755
01:06:48,890 --> 01:06:47,220
here we're either projecting what we

1756
01:06:51,529 --> 01:06:48,900
want to look like or it's projecting

1757
01:06:55,549 --> 01:06:51,539
into us what it wants it to look like

1758
01:06:58,910 --> 01:06:55,559
yeah no absolutely

1759
01:07:01,910 --> 01:06:58,920
um we we do have a question from um from

1760
01:07:03,529 --> 01:07:01,920
Mortal clown which is interesting and I

1761
01:07:06,289 --> 01:07:03,539
think a lot of us have talked about this

1762
01:07:08,270 --> 01:07:06,299
in the past and um what's the

1763
01:07:11,809 --> 01:07:08,280
relationship between UFO activity

1764
01:07:15,289 --> 01:07:14,089
I mean I think it's all related to me to

1765
01:07:18,109 --> 01:07:15,299
be honest

1766
01:07:19,970 --> 01:07:18,119
a very fine line myself I mean Stan

1767
01:07:22,010 --> 01:07:19,980
Gordon does you know a great job at

1768
01:07:24,349 --> 01:07:22,020
looking at that um Joshua kutchen does a

1769
01:07:26,029 --> 01:07:24,359
great job at looking yes he does there's

1770
01:07:27,890 --> 01:07:26,039
um there's a number of authors who are

1771
01:07:29,930 --> 01:07:27,900
worth reading mortal Clan if you haven't

1772
01:07:32,029 --> 01:07:29,940
I mean we can talk about it obviously a

1773
01:07:33,589 --> 01:07:32,039
little bit but it's certainly those

1774
01:07:35,569 --> 01:07:33,599
parallels have been drawn pretty

1775
01:07:37,970 --> 01:07:35,579
extensively by some of the I think the

1776
01:07:41,690 --> 01:07:37,980
better writers in the field

1777
01:07:43,789 --> 01:07:41,700
yeah and so I'm right I'm I'm with Dean

1778
01:07:46,549 --> 01:07:43,799
on that um I think there's there's way

1779
01:07:48,710 --> 01:07:46,559
more overlap and than we would like I I

1780
01:07:51,289 --> 01:07:48,720
do still think however there are some

1781
01:07:54,349 --> 01:07:51,299
physical Crypt is that we can sort of be

1782
01:07:57,109 --> 01:07:54,359
natural you know natural animals they're

1783
01:07:59,029 --> 01:07:57,119
just Relic populations and I do Again

1784
01:08:01,370 --> 01:07:59,039
part of the hypothesis is I do think

1785
01:08:03,770 --> 01:08:01,380
there is a very very small population of

1786
01:08:05,870 --> 01:08:03,780
actual what we would call Bigfoot I want

1787
01:08:07,849 --> 01:08:05,880
to separate Bigfoot from Sasquatch

1788
01:08:08,630 --> 01:08:07,859
because I think it was westerners that

1789
01:08:10,250 --> 01:08:08,640
said

1790
01:08:11,930 --> 01:08:10,260
oh what we're calling Bigfoot must

1791
01:08:13,069 --> 01:08:11,940
clearly be Sasquatch is just that the

1792
01:08:14,690 --> 01:08:13,079
indigenous people didn't know what they

1793
01:08:16,249 --> 01:08:14,700
were talking about because they were all

1794
01:08:17,630 --> 01:08:16,259
caught up in their mystical stuff I

1795
01:08:20,390 --> 01:08:17,640
would I want to separate those two

1796
01:08:22,130 --> 01:08:20,400
thoughts no there there is there is a

1797
01:08:24,530 --> 01:08:22,140
good reason to think that there is a

1798
01:08:26,870 --> 01:08:24,540
natural species of bipedal hominid

1799
01:08:30,050 --> 01:08:26,880
running around America very very small

1800
01:08:32,150 --> 01:08:30,060
population I think probably even less

1801
01:08:34,189 --> 01:08:32,160
than five thousand they're small they're

1802
01:08:36,229 --> 01:08:34,199
highly mobile but then we have this

1803
01:08:38,329 --> 01:08:36,239
other phenomena that I believe

1804
01:08:40,610 --> 01:08:38,339
is really going out of its way to look

1805
01:08:43,070 --> 01:08:40,620
like it I think it's using the idea of

1806
01:08:44,809 --> 01:08:43,080
Bigfoot to hide again what to hide what

1807
01:08:48,229 --> 01:08:44,819
it really is so people sort of Miss the

1808
01:08:49,430 --> 01:08:48,239
obvious because you wake up in a in the

1809
01:08:50,930 --> 01:08:49,440
forest you know you're in a tent you

1810
01:08:52,729 --> 01:08:50,940
open your tent up there's this giant

1811
01:08:55,370 --> 01:08:52,739
eight foot tall dark figure with red

1812
01:08:57,050 --> 01:08:55,380
glowing eyes it's a Bigfoot but you wake

1813
01:08:59,809 --> 01:08:57,060
up in your bed in your home in the

1814
01:09:01,669 --> 01:08:59,819
middle of downtown Dallas and there's an

1815
01:09:03,470 --> 01:09:01,679
eight foot tall dark figure with red

1816
01:09:06,050 --> 01:09:03,480
glowing eyes it's a shadow person or

1817
01:09:09,050 --> 01:09:06,060
it's a demon or it's whatever but as

1818
01:09:11,030 --> 01:09:09,060
soon as you say hey I saw Bigfoot what

1819
01:09:13,490 --> 01:09:11,040
is it everybody does

1820
01:09:15,050 --> 01:09:13,500
we have researchers who run down and we

1821
01:09:16,610 --> 01:09:15,060
got to be in that area we got to look at

1822
01:09:18,829 --> 01:09:16,620
it all the time we got to focus on it

1823
01:09:21,169 --> 01:09:18,839
and think about it we buy

1824
01:09:22,309 --> 01:09:21,179
okay technically it's Chewbacca but we

1825
01:09:27,950 --> 01:09:22,319
buy

1826
01:09:30,950 --> 01:09:27,960
drawings of Bigfoot we we give this this

1827
01:09:33,050 --> 01:09:30,960
stuff attention and it seems to do two

1828
01:09:34,550 --> 01:09:33,060
things and one it wipes away the

1829
01:09:37,189 --> 01:09:34,560
Paranormal for the vast majority of

1830
01:09:39,349 --> 01:09:37,199
people because there's a it's oh it was

1831
01:09:40,970 --> 01:09:39,359
just a Bigfoot they're a giant monkey

1832
01:09:42,530 --> 01:09:40,980
thing that's what the average person is

1833
01:09:45,349 --> 01:09:42,540
thinking so they don't think paranormal

1834
01:09:47,809 --> 01:09:45,359
so it just wipes away and covers its

1835
01:09:50,329 --> 01:09:47,819
actual tracks the other thing is my

1836
01:09:54,530 --> 01:09:50,339
question what is the where is the line

1837
01:09:57,290 --> 01:09:54,540
between research interest and worship

1838
01:09:58,970 --> 01:09:57,300
where is that line I don't know I don't

1839
01:10:00,490 --> 01:09:58,980
know that that lines as hard and fast as

1840
01:10:03,530 --> 01:10:00,500
we'd like to think it is

1841
01:10:05,570 --> 01:10:03,540
there may be that may be a much fight

1842
01:10:07,130 --> 01:10:05,580
there may not be a line

1843
01:10:09,229 --> 01:10:07,140
like I'm even assuming that there is a

1844
01:10:10,790 --> 01:10:09,239
line on this topic on that concept but

1845
01:10:14,209 --> 01:10:10,800
what if there isn't what if or that

1846
01:10:16,729 --> 01:10:14,219
Line's very very thin and it's very hard

1847
01:10:19,910 --> 01:10:16,739
to see when you cross over to burn its

1848
01:10:22,430 --> 01:10:19,920
Point what if the reason for the

1849
01:10:26,330 --> 01:10:22,440
appearance of a

1850
01:10:29,450 --> 01:10:26,340
Bigfoot or of a pterosaur in my case or

1851
01:10:32,390 --> 01:10:29,460
on and on and on is to bring in the

1852
01:10:36,110 --> 01:10:32,400
attention and what we think is interest

1853
01:10:38,750 --> 01:10:36,120
in research to them is worship and that

1854
01:10:41,450 --> 01:10:38,760
means power and authority and energy to

1855
01:10:45,890 --> 01:10:43,490
that's I mean that's the question I just

1856
01:10:47,450 --> 01:10:45,900
I don't have answered yet and I don't

1857
01:10:49,490 --> 01:10:47,460
know that we will ever have an answer

1858
01:10:53,450 --> 01:10:49,500
until we get the spookatron 5000 patent

1859
01:10:58,610 --> 01:10:57,229
I think maybe no sorry no you go you go

1860
01:11:01,070 --> 01:10:58,620
you go Bernadette

1861
01:11:03,470 --> 01:11:01,080
well I think maybe not only worship but

1862
01:11:05,209 --> 01:11:03,480
also if you have the fear like I was a

1863
01:11:07,390 --> 01:11:05,219
child seeing most of these things and

1864
01:11:10,550 --> 01:11:07,400
some of them I was terrified of

1865
01:11:12,350 --> 01:11:10,560
so maybe they're they're getting some

1866
01:11:14,450 --> 01:11:12,360
kind of they're feeding off of it so

1867
01:11:17,149 --> 01:11:14,460
they can just go on their merry way for

1868
01:11:19,070 --> 01:11:17,159
another 50 years or another 100 years

1869
01:11:20,209 --> 01:11:19,080
before they pop up doing something else

1870
01:11:23,090 --> 01:11:20,219
you know

1871
01:11:25,130 --> 01:11:23,100
oh honestly that was this happened a

1872
01:11:27,470 --> 01:11:25,140
couple years ago for me I mean I say

1873
01:11:28,550 --> 01:11:27,480
couple but I think 1990 was 10 years ago

1874
01:11:30,050 --> 01:11:28,560
too

1875
01:11:32,030 --> 01:11:30,060
um

1876
01:11:34,310 --> 01:11:32,040
I sort of had this weird realization one

1877
01:11:35,390 --> 01:11:34,320
day and it started to really cheese my

1878
01:11:37,189 --> 01:11:35,400
cracker

1879
01:11:39,590 --> 01:11:37,199
what if

1880
01:11:41,870 --> 01:11:39,600
okay getting I'm real far afield but

1881
01:11:43,689 --> 01:11:41,880
what if Monsters Incorporated is a

1882
01:11:46,550 --> 01:11:43,699
documentary

1883
01:11:49,130 --> 01:11:46,560
right I mean not as you know not as a

1884
01:11:51,590 --> 01:11:49,140
literal documentary but you know

1885
01:11:53,510 --> 01:11:51,600
obviously in the occult world you have

1886
01:11:55,189 --> 01:11:53,520
to tell people what you're doing what if

1887
01:11:56,990 --> 01:11:55,199
that's what this what if that's really

1888
01:12:00,110 --> 01:11:57,000
literally what monsters incorporated was

1889
01:12:03,290 --> 01:12:00,120
this sort of veiled admission of what

1890
01:12:04,850 --> 01:12:03,300
they do of how they operate what their

1891
01:12:06,830 --> 01:12:04,860
goals are

1892
01:12:09,050 --> 01:12:06,840
I mean nearly every person I've dealt

1893
01:12:11,270 --> 01:12:09,060
that I've that I've helped with with

1894
01:12:13,250 --> 01:12:11,280
shadow people as an adult they all have

1895
01:12:16,010 --> 01:12:13,260
trauma that traces all the way back to

1896
01:12:17,870 --> 01:12:16,020
their childhood every single one of them

1897
01:12:20,090 --> 01:12:17,880
what if to your point this is that's

1898
01:12:21,470 --> 01:12:20,100
they they feed off of that trauma and

1899
01:12:23,630 --> 01:12:21,480
that pain

1900
01:12:25,310 --> 01:12:23,640
again what if monsters and corporate is

1901
01:12:27,770 --> 01:12:25,320
basically just you know what you're not

1902
01:12:34,430 --> 01:12:27,780
the first person I heard reference at

1903
01:12:37,189 --> 01:12:34,440
mm-hmm yeah but yeah I know I get it um

1904
01:12:40,270 --> 01:12:37,199
you know like the monster coming out of

1905
01:12:43,610 --> 01:12:40,280
the closet and yeah yeah

1906
01:12:45,649 --> 01:12:43,620
I don't know I I mean the the big

1907
01:12:47,990 --> 01:12:45,659
All-Seeing Eye in the middle of the of

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01:12:49,910 --> 01:12:48,000
the M that's shaped like a pyramid it's

1909
01:12:52,490 --> 01:12:49,920
like once you kind of sit you're like

1910
01:12:53,810 --> 01:12:52,500
holy crap like they weren't being subtle

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01:12:55,669 --> 01:12:53,820
at all with this stuff it's like it's

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01:12:57,110 --> 01:12:55,679
almost so obvious you're like oh that

1913
01:12:59,810 --> 01:12:57,120
can't be a thing

1914
01:13:02,390 --> 01:12:59,820
right but what if it kind of is what if

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01:13:06,050 --> 01:13:02,400
that's sort of the point yeah

1916
01:13:08,209 --> 01:13:06,060
it's interesting I wanted to I wanted to

1917
01:13:10,310 --> 01:13:08,219
to the point of the question regarding

1918
01:13:12,649 --> 01:13:10,320
whether Bigfoot and UFOs are related or

1919
01:13:14,750 --> 01:13:12,659
how they're related I often think we

1920
01:13:16,790 --> 01:13:14,760
tend to group things in the Paranormal

1921
01:13:18,110 --> 01:13:16,800
in the the wrong way not only like I'm

1922
01:13:19,729 --> 01:13:18,120
saying well it might be all one

1923
01:13:22,070 --> 01:13:19,739
phenomena and this might all just be

1924
01:13:24,169 --> 01:13:22,080
different manifestations but take the

1925
01:13:27,530 --> 01:13:24,179
UFO phenomenon for example a lot of UFO

1926
01:13:29,689 --> 01:13:27,540
Believers will happily put the the crop

1927
01:13:32,590 --> 01:13:29,699
circle in the same grouping as the weird

1928
01:13:38,930 --> 01:13:34,910
I need a picture of Dean I've ever seen

1929
01:13:41,689 --> 01:13:38,940
yeah I'm I'm handsome um yeah so a lot

1930
01:13:43,729 --> 01:13:41,699
of UFO Believers will put the the the

1931
01:13:45,290 --> 01:13:43,739
crop circle in the same box as the light

1932
01:13:47,750 --> 01:13:45,300
at the end of the field it's the same

1933
01:13:50,149 --> 01:13:47,760
box as the Tic Tac video is the same box

1934
01:13:52,130 --> 01:13:50,159
at the light and uh you know distant sky

1935
01:13:53,630 --> 01:13:52,140
in the same boxes the gray

1936
01:13:55,610 --> 01:13:53,640
extraterrestrial at the end of the bed

1937
01:13:57,470 --> 01:13:55,620
but all of those things might be

1938
01:13:59,149 --> 01:13:57,480
different phenomena they might have

1939
01:14:01,430 --> 01:13:59,159
nothing to do with each other that the

1940
01:14:03,229 --> 01:14:01,440
crop circle might be a hoaxstar the

1941
01:14:05,689 --> 01:14:03,239
light at the end of my back 40 might

1942
01:14:07,370 --> 01:14:05,699
actually be swamp gas the light in the

1943
01:14:09,350 --> 01:14:07,380
sky which is chasing you at night might

1944
01:14:11,090 --> 01:14:09,360
just actually be Venus the thing at the

1945
01:14:13,250 --> 01:14:11,100
end of your bed might be some paranormal

1946
01:14:15,410 --> 01:14:13,260
manifestation and the Tic Tac video

1947
01:14:17,330 --> 01:14:15,420
might be some government top secret

1948
01:14:19,310 --> 01:14:17,340
project whether it's disinfo or they're

1949
01:14:21,709 --> 01:14:19,320
testing some type of craft to see how

1950
01:14:23,149 --> 01:14:21,719
Navy Pilots respond so all of these

1951
01:14:24,830 --> 01:14:23,159
things might be very different so I

1952
01:14:27,110 --> 01:14:24,840
think we're in this weird place of how

1953
01:14:29,330 --> 01:14:27,120
do we categorize so maybe Bigfoot and

1954
01:14:31,250 --> 01:14:29,340
gray extraterrestrials and Virgin Mary

1955
01:14:32,870 --> 01:14:31,260
maybe they're all the same phenomena but

1956
01:14:34,490 --> 01:14:32,880
maybe the ticket Tech video has nothing

1957
01:14:35,870 --> 01:14:34,500
to do with the gray extraterrestrial at

1958
01:14:38,450 --> 01:14:35,880
the end of your bed

1959
01:14:40,250 --> 01:14:38,460
well you know unfortunately you know in

1960
01:14:42,050 --> 01:14:40,260
my case I've gotta you know I'm writing

1961
01:14:43,070 --> 01:14:42,060
this stuff and getting these reports

1962
01:14:45,890 --> 01:14:43,080
every day

1963
01:14:47,390 --> 01:14:45,900
and if you start theorizing on things

1964
01:14:50,810 --> 01:14:47,400
that's when you start getting pushback

1965
01:14:53,330 --> 01:14:50,820
people want things put in categories yep

1966
01:14:56,270 --> 01:14:53,340
you know and it is unfortunate now

1967
01:14:57,890 --> 01:14:56,280
that's why I I Venture into doing a book

1968
01:15:00,590 --> 01:14:57,900
occasionally because I can put my

1969
01:15:03,649 --> 01:15:00,600
thoughts in there once in a while but as

1970
01:15:05,330 --> 01:15:03,659
far as writing the blog people I I get a

1971
01:15:06,890 --> 01:15:05,340
lot of pushback when I start doing that

1972
01:15:14,990 --> 01:15:06,900
now

1973
01:15:16,490 --> 01:15:15,000
really do want to see these things put

1974
01:15:19,310 --> 01:15:16,500
in categories or

1975
01:15:20,689 --> 01:15:19,320
are they open enough to uh you know to

1976
01:15:22,790 --> 01:15:20,699
think that there's some relation between

1977
01:15:25,850 --> 01:15:22,800
this phenomena well but there's there's

1978
01:15:27,830 --> 01:15:25,860
comfort in the box right I mean that's

1979
01:15:29,630 --> 01:15:27,840
just really what it is like once you can

1980
01:15:31,550 --> 01:15:29,640
I mean as humans we're like okay that's

1981
01:15:32,930 --> 01:15:31,560
a horse I know how horses operate I know

1982
01:15:35,270 --> 01:15:32,940
how to behave around a horse I'm good

1983
01:15:36,410 --> 01:15:35,280
that's a dog I know but it's like if we

1984
01:15:38,689 --> 01:15:36,420
didn't know if we were dealing with a

1985
01:15:40,070 --> 01:15:38,699
dog or a horse it would cause us a lot

1986
01:15:41,750 --> 01:15:40,080
of stress because

1987
01:15:43,130 --> 01:15:41,760
you don't treat a dog the way you treat

1988
01:15:44,630 --> 01:15:43,140
a horse you certainly don't treat a dog

1989
01:15:47,450 --> 01:15:44,640
the way you treat a bear

1990
01:15:48,830 --> 01:15:47,460
right right so I I can see you know

1991
01:15:50,510 --> 01:15:48,840
people want things to fit in a box

1992
01:15:52,610 --> 01:15:50,520
because that makes them more comfortable

1993
01:15:54,590 --> 01:15:52,620
for the majority of people the box that

1994
01:15:56,990 --> 01:15:54,600
says it's all fiction is more

1995
01:15:58,850 --> 01:15:57,000
comfortable right so that's why it's

1996
01:16:00,590 --> 01:15:58,860
just it's easier for them I think people

1997
01:16:01,370 --> 01:16:00,600
tell me I don't want to know if this is

1998
01:16:03,110 --> 01:16:01,380
real

1999
01:16:04,610 --> 01:16:03,120
because then they have to deal with it

2000
01:16:06,350 --> 01:16:04,620
and that and they would rather just say

2001
01:16:08,750 --> 01:16:06,360
that's all fiction

2002
01:16:11,810 --> 01:16:08,760
and then most people just run across and

2003
01:16:13,729 --> 01:16:11,820
again I I believe the pterosaurs were

2004
01:16:15,250 --> 01:16:13,739
real and that they were still alive I

2005
01:16:18,590 --> 01:16:15,260
just didn't think they were in Dallas

2006
01:16:19,610 --> 01:16:18,600
you know like it's you know but

2007
01:16:21,050 --> 01:16:19,620
sometimes you run across something

2008
01:16:22,850 --> 01:16:21,060
you're like okay it's reality just

2009
01:16:24,649 --> 01:16:22,860
smacks you in the face like you know

2010
01:16:26,209 --> 01:16:24,659
some angry seal and you're like well I

2011
01:16:28,850 --> 01:16:26,219
gotta do I gotta do something with that

2012
01:16:30,350 --> 01:16:28,860
yeah I'll tell you another group of

2013
01:16:32,810 --> 01:16:30,360
people that like to put things in the

2014
01:16:35,450 --> 01:16:32,820
Box uh not only is it the scientific

2015
01:16:37,370 --> 01:16:35,460
world but the Paranormal folk do as well

2016
01:16:39,770 --> 01:16:37,380
too oh yeah absolutely because then they

2017
01:16:43,310 --> 01:16:39,780
can become Experts of a particular box

2018
01:16:45,530 --> 01:16:43,320
or they could have you know I know how

2019
01:16:48,290 --> 01:16:45,540
to deal with this box nobody else does

2020
01:16:50,209 --> 01:16:48,300
and that makes it even the water's even

2021
01:16:53,510 --> 01:16:50,219
more muddied whenever that happens

2022
01:16:55,430 --> 01:16:53,520
oh yeah no no absolutely I mean we're

2023
01:16:56,570 --> 01:16:55,440
all in our own little boxes again that's

2024
01:16:58,610 --> 01:16:56,580
one of the reasons we do the things we

2025
01:17:00,709 --> 01:16:58,620
do on our channel is we wanted to bring

2026
01:17:02,090 --> 01:17:00,719
everyone together because we're like

2027
01:17:05,030 --> 01:17:02,100
you know

2028
01:17:07,010 --> 01:17:05,040
why not like we all this is based on

2029
01:17:09,590 --> 01:17:07,020
presupposition ever so much of what

2030
01:17:12,169 --> 01:17:09,600
we're doing is based on presupposition

2031
01:17:14,450 --> 01:17:12,179
um I hate that word right there expert

2032
01:17:16,610 --> 01:17:14,460
right but you know what you hear being

2033
01:17:19,130 --> 01:17:16,620
bandied about more and more I'm

2034
01:17:22,310 --> 01:17:19,140
surprised because about a decade ago

2035
01:17:24,950 --> 01:17:22,320
nobody used that word now especially the

2036
01:17:27,290 --> 01:17:24,960
talking heads on on television oh yeah

2037
01:17:29,630 --> 01:17:27,300
you do have these experts because you

2038
01:17:32,510 --> 01:17:29,640
know they they look good they dress like

2039
01:17:34,370 --> 01:17:32,520
rock stars and uh people assume that

2040
01:17:36,649 --> 01:17:34,380
they know what they're talking about you

2041
01:17:38,209 --> 01:17:36,659
know I do a lot of conferences and the

2042
01:17:40,910 --> 01:17:38,219
majority of the people that I've spoken

2043
01:17:42,950 --> 01:17:40,920
with who are supposed to be the experts

2044
01:17:44,990 --> 01:17:42,960
in that field have very little working

2045
01:17:47,090 --> 01:17:45,000
knowledge of the field itself you know

2046
01:17:49,010 --> 01:17:47,100
they can talk to you about particular

2047
01:17:50,090 --> 01:17:49,020
cases but whenever you get write down

2048
01:17:52,130 --> 01:17:50,100
like they could never have a

2049
01:17:53,630 --> 01:17:52,140
conversation like we had tonight it just

2050
01:17:55,250 --> 01:17:53,640
doesn't fit into their scheme you know

2051
01:17:56,689 --> 01:17:55,260
it doesn't work that way

2052
01:17:58,430 --> 01:17:56,699
um so I really think that there's more

2053
01:18:00,229 --> 01:17:58,440
that's why I'm so grateful for shows

2054
01:18:03,169 --> 01:18:00,239
like long puts on and like you gentlemen

2055
01:18:05,450 --> 01:18:03,179
put on it's because we have an open

2056
01:18:07,910 --> 01:18:05,460
Forum uh this might not be everybody's

2057
01:18:09,169 --> 01:18:07,920
cup of tea but it is indeed a cup of tea

2058
01:18:10,430 --> 01:18:09,179
that we need to drink if we're going to

2059
01:18:11,390 --> 01:18:10,440
find out what the answer to all this

2060
01:18:13,250 --> 01:18:11,400
stuff is

2061
01:18:16,130 --> 01:18:13,260
yeah I appreciate you signing up for my

2062
01:18:19,010 --> 01:18:16,140
only fans Channel absolutely I look

2063
01:18:23,870 --> 01:18:19,020
forward to Thursdays

2064
01:18:27,350 --> 01:18:25,550
because you know like you're not going

2065
01:18:30,470 --> 01:18:27,360
to get a conversation like this at a

2066
01:18:33,470 --> 01:18:30,480
conference that's right that's right you

2067
01:18:36,950 --> 01:18:33,480
know yeah I attended um uh the dog man

2068
01:18:40,550 --> 01:18:36,960
conference uh down in Paris Tennessee

2069
01:18:42,530 --> 01:18:40,560
um in um in August and it was very open

2070
01:18:44,450 --> 01:18:42,540
it was one of the best conferences I've

2071
01:18:46,430 --> 01:18:44,460
ever attended because there's a lot of

2072
01:18:48,290 --> 01:18:46,440
good things about it yeah absolutely

2073
01:18:49,370 --> 01:18:48,300
because usually that's a great picture

2074
01:18:51,729 --> 01:18:49,380
right there it looks like a prison

2075
01:18:54,169 --> 01:18:51,739
lineup

2076
01:18:57,410 --> 01:18:54,179
whatever we uh whenever you go to most

2077
01:18:58,790 --> 01:18:57,420
conferences it is so um regimented you

2078
01:19:00,830 --> 01:18:58,800
know it's it's these people are talking

2079
01:19:03,050 --> 01:19:00,840
about this and you really can't have any

2080
01:19:05,030 --> 01:19:03,060
kind of gray areas because apparently

2081
01:19:07,010 --> 01:19:05,040
the public doesn't like gray area but I

2082
01:19:09,770 --> 01:19:07,020
really like gray areas

2083
01:19:12,890 --> 01:19:09,780
well I'm turning gray so it's all good

2084
01:19:14,450 --> 01:19:12,900
um but okay you you uh since we're not

2085
01:19:15,709 --> 01:19:14,460
going to get to altie

2086
01:19:17,630 --> 01:19:15,719
um

2087
01:19:20,390 --> 01:19:17,640
let me okay let me push a bunch of

2088
01:19:22,490 --> 01:19:20,400
buttons all at once the reason for the

2089
01:19:28,270 --> 01:19:22,500
boxes is because

2090
01:19:30,649 --> 01:19:28,280
paranormal Bigfoot UFO ulti whatever

2091
01:19:31,790 --> 01:19:30,659
for most people the reason they like the

2092
01:19:33,229 --> 01:19:31,800
box is the reason they don't want the

2093
01:19:35,330 --> 01:19:33,239
con the conflicts is because that's

2094
01:19:38,090 --> 01:19:35,340
their that's become their religion it's

2095
01:19:39,050 --> 01:19:38,100
replaced religion in their lives and so

2096
01:19:41,209 --> 01:19:39,060
when you

2097
01:19:42,709 --> 01:19:41,219
I mean okay I love conferences I'm going

2098
01:19:44,450 --> 01:19:42,719
to Jefferson come visit us in Jefferson

2099
01:19:46,370 --> 01:19:44,460
you can poke me with the stick you got

2100
01:19:47,149 --> 01:19:46,380
to pay me 10 bucks to do it but I'll let

2101
01:19:48,709 --> 01:19:47,159
you spoke with me with this stick

2102
01:19:50,450 --> 01:19:48,719
carefully

2103
01:19:52,669 --> 01:19:50,460
um but the simple fact of the matter is

2104
01:19:54,770 --> 01:19:52,679
people that what do they do they go and

2105
01:19:56,330 --> 01:19:54,780
they tell you their encounters and their

2106
01:19:57,410 --> 01:19:56,340
stories and you have to validate them

2107
01:19:58,189 --> 01:19:57,420
and tell them that they're right and

2108
01:19:59,510 --> 01:19:58,199
that they're understanding and

2109
01:20:01,310 --> 01:19:59,520
perception is right or they become

2110
01:20:03,169 --> 01:20:01,320
terribly offended why it's the same

2111
01:20:04,790 --> 01:20:03,179
thing when you go to church again I'm a

2112
01:20:06,169 --> 01:20:04,800
religious person I call myself a

2113
01:20:08,270 --> 01:20:06,179
Biblical paranormal researcher for a

2114
01:20:10,729 --> 01:20:08,280
reason but they give their testimony

2115
01:20:13,430 --> 01:20:10,739
right their encounter with God how they

2116
01:20:15,290 --> 01:20:13,440
turn to the faith it's the exact same

2117
01:20:17,209 --> 01:20:15,300
thing I was literally at a conference I

2118
01:20:19,130 --> 01:20:17,219
won't name drop again talking to someone

2119
01:20:21,770 --> 01:20:19,140
when they were doing uh sort of the

2120
01:20:23,570 --> 01:20:21,780
beginning research of the uh Sasquatch

2121
01:20:25,310 --> 01:20:23,580
Alba vernics right there was a window

2122
01:20:27,229 --> 01:20:25,320
that supposedly is says where I should

2123
01:20:30,290 --> 01:20:27,239
put its face on we had skin oils there

2124
01:20:31,370 --> 01:20:30,300
and we were waiting to go into like we

2125
01:20:33,649 --> 01:20:31,380
were just waiting I'm just gonna wait

2126
01:20:36,890 --> 01:20:33,659
for the line to go down but it's like we

2127
01:20:39,350 --> 01:20:36,900
were waiting to go see this piece of

2128
01:20:41,030 --> 01:20:39,360
glass now again I'm going to say like

2129
01:20:42,590 --> 01:20:41,040
scientific interest I would like to see

2130
01:20:44,689 --> 01:20:42,600
it I'd like to see if this adds scratch

2131
01:20:46,850 --> 01:20:44,699
Alba vernix turns into something uh

2132
01:20:49,010 --> 01:20:46,860
again measurable observable I love

2133
01:20:50,270 --> 01:20:49,020
science at the same time I couldn't help

2134
01:20:52,189 --> 01:20:50,280
but notice what's the difference between

2135
01:20:56,270 --> 01:20:52,199
what we're doing

2136
01:20:58,790 --> 01:20:56,280
and someone going to tyrin to see the

2137
01:21:00,709 --> 01:20:58,800
shroud of Jesus

2138
01:21:02,450 --> 01:21:00,719
there's zero difference there

2139
01:21:04,850 --> 01:21:02,460
fundamentally

2140
01:21:06,290 --> 01:21:04,860
we can dress it up as I like science I

2141
01:21:09,290 --> 01:21:06,300
want to understand the truth well guess

2142
01:21:11,510 --> 01:21:09,300
what religions is a search for truth too

2143
01:21:12,709 --> 01:21:11,520
so that's why I mean with all this why

2144
01:21:16,070 --> 01:21:12,719
do you know why do we put things in

2145
01:21:18,350 --> 01:21:16,080
boxes because that's their religion now

2146
01:21:21,050 --> 01:21:18,360
and so for them their validation their

2147
01:21:24,050 --> 01:21:21,060
identity is tied up in

2148
01:21:25,610 --> 01:21:24,060
in Chewie well again I spend a lot of

2149
01:21:27,709 --> 01:21:25,620
time in the nerd world world obviously

2150
01:21:30,229 --> 01:21:27,719
but it's the same thing for Star Wars or

2151
01:21:31,850 --> 01:21:30,239
Star Trek it's the same thing for all of

2152
01:21:33,350 --> 01:21:31,860
you know for all these things they're

2153
01:21:36,410 --> 01:21:33,360
people who've committed suicide because

2154
01:21:38,510 --> 01:21:36,420
Battlestar Galactica went off air

2155
01:21:40,970 --> 01:21:38,520
like that's

2156
01:21:43,310 --> 01:21:40,980
that's a religion it becomes their

2157
01:21:45,530 --> 01:21:43,320
identity after a while uh normally their

2158
01:21:47,270 --> 01:21:45,540
identity but it also becomes their tribe

2159
01:21:50,689 --> 01:21:47,280
if you want to think about this on a

2160
01:21:53,209 --> 01:21:50,699
very basic sociological platform and and

2161
01:21:56,570 --> 01:21:53,219
there's something to be said that if you

2162
01:21:58,669 --> 01:21:56,580
disrupt that tradition of the tribe uh

2163
01:22:00,590 --> 01:21:58,679
things don't go very smoothly you know

2164
01:22:02,450 --> 01:22:00,600
yeah I'm gonna have to watch you more

2165
01:22:05,110 --> 01:22:02,460
and more my friend

2166
01:22:09,250 --> 01:22:05,120
again Thursdays

2167
01:22:13,130 --> 01:22:09,260
it's glistening Scotsman not only fans

2168
01:22:15,050 --> 01:22:13,140
100 a month I think you're right I think

2169
01:22:16,910 --> 01:22:15,060
you're right Jason about the being that

2170
01:22:19,370 --> 01:22:16,920
religiosity and I think Ronald's right

2171
01:22:21,350 --> 01:22:19,380
about there being the tribalism I think

2172
01:22:23,390 --> 01:22:21,360
a lot of it has to do again with people

2173
01:22:25,010 --> 01:22:23,400
not listening to Charles Ford the reason

2174
01:22:27,290 --> 01:22:25,020
it stays in these boxes is because

2175
01:22:30,350 --> 01:22:27,300
they're approaching it like their their

2176
01:22:32,149 --> 01:22:30,360
own side so they want cryptozoology or

2177
01:22:34,430 --> 01:22:32,159
big footology or whatever to be accepted

2178
01:22:36,110 --> 01:22:34,440
so they they hit it at a Zoological

2179
01:22:38,030 --> 01:22:36,120
level thinking science will open the

2180
01:22:39,709 --> 01:22:38,040
doors when they get that when they get

2181
01:22:42,229 --> 01:22:39,719
that hair sample or when they get that

2182
01:22:43,850 --> 01:22:42,239
body or whatever ufologists approach it

2183
01:22:45,169 --> 01:22:43,860
more often than not again as a

2184
01:22:47,570 --> 01:22:45,179
scientific Endeavor because they think

2185
01:22:49,550 --> 01:22:47,580
well if we can prove it somehow you know

2186
01:22:51,229 --> 01:22:49,560
that that aspect of the Sciences will

2187
01:22:53,330 --> 01:22:51,239
open the door even people who are in the

2188
01:22:56,270 --> 01:22:53,340
more paranormal aspects ghost hunting

2189
01:22:58,070 --> 01:22:56,280
for example or you know Psy research or

2190
01:22:59,870 --> 01:22:58,080
something I think that they can they

2191
01:23:01,550 --> 01:22:59,880
they can somehow bang on the doors of

2192
01:23:03,050 --> 01:23:01,560
science long enough and they'll open and

2193
01:23:05,030 --> 01:23:03,060
then they'll be bought in but again

2194
01:23:06,350 --> 01:23:05,040
we've been taught by both Kuhn and by

2195
01:23:08,570 --> 01:23:06,360
Fort before him that's not the way

2196
01:23:10,430 --> 01:23:08,580
science works it doesn't work by

2197
01:23:12,530 --> 01:23:10,440
Outsiders banging on the doors in the

2198
01:23:14,270 --> 01:23:12,540
opening eventually so yeah it's a full

2199
01:23:16,310 --> 01:23:14,280
zeron but it's definitely that almost

2200
01:23:18,290 --> 01:23:16,320
worshipful attitude to science which

2201
01:23:21,890 --> 01:23:18,300
extends outside of the scientific

2202
01:23:23,990 --> 01:23:21,900
establishment into these 40n sciences

2203
01:23:25,490 --> 01:23:24,000
that we're talking about well as like I

2204
01:23:27,350 --> 01:23:25,500
said at the beginning the the fight is

2205
01:23:29,450 --> 01:23:27,360
not between science and religion it's

2206
01:23:31,010 --> 01:23:29,460
between religion and religion it

2207
01:23:33,050 --> 01:23:31,020
apparently oh science religion don't go

2208
01:23:34,910 --> 01:23:33,060
together no no science is just a tool it

2209
01:23:36,290 --> 01:23:34,920
is the process that's all it is and it's

2210
01:23:38,510 --> 01:23:36,300
only one way of knowing by the way we

2211
01:23:41,030 --> 01:23:38,520
limited science to just laboratory

2212
01:23:42,830 --> 01:23:41,040
science it there's other ways of knowing

2213
01:23:45,470 --> 01:23:42,840
whole other conversation but it's really

2214
01:23:47,450 --> 01:23:45,480
again there's a what is prominent now

2215
01:23:50,990 --> 01:23:47,460
what is useful to the politicians in the

2216
01:23:54,350 --> 01:23:51,000
elite today is a very materialistic

2217
01:23:55,910 --> 01:23:54,360
naturalistic darwinian atheistic

2218
01:23:57,950 --> 01:23:55,920
perspective and that's the religious

2219
01:23:59,450 --> 01:23:57,960
Viewpoint that gets all the money that's

2220
01:24:01,370 --> 01:23:59,460
the religious Viewpoint that is

2221
01:24:03,709 --> 01:24:01,380
propagated in our schools and in our

2222
01:24:05,990 --> 01:24:03,719
colleges which is is why this stuff

2223
01:24:07,669 --> 01:24:06,000
won't be let in but the problem is and

2224
01:24:09,890 --> 01:24:07,679
this goes back to a conversation I had a

2225
01:24:11,330 --> 01:24:09,900
while ago on Genesis 1 it's like well

2226
01:24:13,010 --> 01:24:11,340
would we do a better job today of

2227
01:24:15,169 --> 01:24:13,020
describing the creation of the universe

2228
01:24:16,189 --> 01:24:15,179
today and I would argue maybe we

2229
01:24:17,750 --> 01:24:16,199
wouldn't

2230
01:24:19,310 --> 01:24:17,760
what if it's so far beyond our

2231
01:24:20,930 --> 01:24:19,320
understanding that just because we think

2232
01:24:22,370 --> 01:24:20,940
I've you know it's like I've got a cell

2233
01:24:23,930 --> 01:24:22,380
phone and we've got lasers and we know

2234
01:24:26,330 --> 01:24:23,940
about Star Trek and I can throw all

2235
01:24:29,930 --> 01:24:26,340
these star you know these these Star

2236
01:24:32,270 --> 01:24:29,940
Trek terms on a phenomena that makes my

2237
01:24:34,729 --> 01:24:32,280
description any better than someone 3000

2238
01:24:35,810 --> 01:24:34,739
years ago what if another 3 000 years

2239
01:24:38,209 --> 01:24:35,820
people would look at my description

2240
01:24:40,630 --> 01:24:38,219
description say you're just a

2241
01:24:44,169 --> 01:24:40,640
neanderthal energy

2242
01:24:47,149 --> 01:24:44,179
lasers what kind of crap is that right

2243
01:24:50,330 --> 01:24:47,159
it's and so you know to the point it's

2244
01:24:51,830 --> 01:24:50,340
this is ultimately a religious fight and

2245
01:24:53,930 --> 01:24:51,840
what we have are different denominations

2246
01:24:58,850 --> 01:24:53,940
and different religions battling it out

2247
01:25:03,830 --> 01:25:02,270
well folks I am so glad I had you all on

2248
01:25:05,330 --> 01:25:03,840
tonight this was an interesting

2249
01:25:08,030 --> 01:25:05,340
conversation

2250
01:25:11,350 --> 01:25:08,040
I kind of went a little here and there

2251
01:25:15,010 --> 01:25:11,360
but it was interesting

2252
01:25:19,010 --> 01:25:17,149
I've listened to it

2253
01:25:22,550 --> 01:25:19,020
well what do you want to say uh Jason

2254
01:25:23,890 --> 01:25:22,560
yeah go ahead he produces the best eggs

2255
01:25:26,689 --> 01:25:23,900
everyday

2256
01:25:28,669 --> 01:25:26,699
oh okay I get it now okay two questions

2257
01:25:30,050 --> 01:25:28,679
no no it is actually I swear it's my

2258
01:25:31,550 --> 01:25:30,060
favorite Cryptid of all time is the

2259
01:25:33,490 --> 01:25:31,560
camera Source

2260
01:25:36,590 --> 01:25:33,500
um because it's the only one technically

2261
01:25:38,450 --> 01:25:36,600
officially recognized by science we know

2262
01:25:40,250 --> 01:25:38,460
it from one skeleton that was caught in

2263
01:25:42,770 --> 01:25:40,260
in Cadbury Bay but the thing is you look

2264
01:25:44,930 --> 01:25:42,780
at the descriptions of it right one set

2265
01:25:47,450 --> 01:25:44,940
of front flippers sort of uh a a

2266
01:25:48,890 --> 01:25:47,460
horse-like head fluked tail

2267
01:25:51,050 --> 01:25:48,900
it looks very very similar to the

2268
01:25:53,229 --> 01:25:51,060
descriptions you get of all T from the

2269
01:25:55,970 --> 01:25:53,239
altamahata river

2270
01:25:56,930 --> 01:25:55,980
I I think that there is now again I

2271
01:25:58,610 --> 01:25:56,940
don't think they're I don't think

2272
01:26:00,649 --> 01:25:58,620
they're actually reptilian I think

2273
01:26:03,590 --> 01:26:00,659
they're probably mammalian right they

2274
01:26:05,629 --> 01:26:03,600
could be some form of zuladon or or you

2275
01:26:07,729 --> 01:26:05,639
know maybe another sedation but

2276
01:26:09,290 --> 01:26:07,739
of all the Cryptids in the world this is

2277
01:26:10,370 --> 01:26:09,300
my favorite I know I saw a pterosaur I'm

2278
01:26:12,229 --> 01:26:10,380
just saying this one's my favorite

2279
01:26:14,450 --> 01:26:12,239
because I think there's a really good

2280
01:26:16,850 --> 01:26:14,460
chance of this being a very natural

2281
01:26:19,729 --> 01:26:16,860
existent creature possibly even the

2282
01:26:21,110 --> 01:26:19,739
origin for the sea serpent and because

2283
01:26:23,570 --> 01:26:21,120
of the consistency of description

2284
01:26:26,570 --> 01:26:23,580
between Canada right the Canadian stuff

2285
01:26:28,129 --> 01:26:26,580
and the in the Atlantic stuff it makes

2286
01:26:30,169 --> 01:26:28,139
me think there's two different again two

2287
01:26:32,149 --> 01:26:30,179
different groups prop probably even two

2288
01:26:33,830 --> 01:26:32,159
different subspecies of the same species

2289
01:26:35,510 --> 01:26:33,840
but there's enough familiar you know

2290
01:26:37,910 --> 01:26:35,520
enough again sort of like a lot of this

2291
01:26:40,070 --> 01:26:37,920
stuff there's so much uh similar

2292
01:26:41,810 --> 01:26:40,080
description of their behavior and of

2293
01:26:44,750 --> 01:26:41,820
their appearance in two completely

2294
01:26:48,649 --> 01:26:44,760
unrelated areas they go back far enough

2295
01:26:48,659 --> 01:26:54,610
that's it plus again the eggs the eggs

2296
01:27:00,590 --> 01:26:56,810
well guys thanks for coming on tonight

2297
01:27:01,910 --> 01:27:00,600
uh I'm going to uh ask each of you to uh

2298
01:27:03,850 --> 01:27:01,920
tell the folks how they can get in

2299
01:27:06,770 --> 01:27:03,860
contact with you your books and

2300
01:27:09,229 --> 01:27:06,780
appearances and just let it Loose tell

2301
01:27:11,270 --> 01:27:09,239
them what you want to hear uh Jason

2302
01:27:12,530 --> 01:27:11,280
start with you oh of course you'll start

2303
01:27:15,290 --> 01:27:12,540
with me okay

2304
01:27:17,510 --> 01:27:15,300
most recent book I'm on Amazon you can

2305
01:27:20,270 --> 01:27:17,520
find me but go to uh Texas front porch

2306
01:27:22,430 --> 01:27:20,280
Tex apostrophe s front porch if any show

2307
01:27:25,490 --> 01:27:22,440
has got all the doobly-doos on there

2308
01:27:27,050 --> 01:27:25,500
um cerealpapers.com SRU papers and of

2309
01:27:30,050 --> 01:27:27,060
course you can find me in the lovely

2310
01:27:32,629 --> 01:27:30,060
Dean Bertram every Tuesday on mysterious

2311
01:27:34,610 --> 01:27:32,639
library on the untold Radio AM Channel

2312
01:27:36,850 --> 01:27:34,620
and then the rest of the week it's Texas

2313
01:27:39,050 --> 01:27:36,860
from Fortune series

2314
01:27:41,450 --> 01:27:39,060
go ahead Dean

2315
01:27:44,870 --> 01:27:41,460
well yes please come and check out Jason

2316
01:27:47,330 --> 01:27:44,880
and I next Tuesday on untoldradio am.com

2317
01:27:49,790 --> 01:27:47,340
I also have another show on that channel

2318
01:27:51,649 --> 01:27:49,800
now Lon was a guest on it some time ago

2319
01:27:53,629 --> 01:27:51,659
before he moved to Doug High checks

2320
01:27:56,330 --> 01:27:53,639
Untold radio network but the other

2321
01:27:58,790 --> 01:27:56,340
Show's called mysterious Library which I

2322
01:28:01,010 --> 01:27:58,800
co-host with my partner in weird and

2323
01:28:02,209 --> 01:28:01,020
girlfriend Jen Darrell and that's every

2324
01:28:04,610 --> 01:28:02,219
I'll get to that in a minute Jason

2325
01:28:07,550 --> 01:28:04,620
that's um that's every Saturday night at

2326
01:28:08,930 --> 01:28:07,560
10 p.m Central on untoldradio am.com and

2327
01:28:11,629 --> 01:28:08,940
you can see it on YouTube or on Facebook

2328
01:28:13,930 --> 01:28:11,639
but this week she ends at a paranormal

2329
01:28:16,729 --> 01:28:13,940
investigation come conference so Jason

2330
01:28:18,649 --> 01:28:16,739
ewert not Jace yet sorry Jason Hill

2331
01:28:20,530 --> 01:28:18,659
Jason McLean I had Jason Ewald on last

2332
01:28:24,290 --> 01:28:20,540
week

2333
01:28:26,209 --> 01:28:24,300
Jason McLean my co-host from my from

2334
01:28:27,649 --> 01:28:26,219
mysterious library is jumping on to

2335
01:28:29,270 --> 01:28:27,659
co-host talking with which is going to

2336
01:28:33,110 --> 01:28:29,280
be a bunch of fun so yeah go and check

2337
01:28:36,709 --> 01:28:33,120
us out on untoldradio am.com

2338
01:28:39,850 --> 01:28:36,719
and Mr Murphy again you can catch

2339
01:28:41,990 --> 01:28:39,860
anything that I do on uh on uh

2340
01:28:45,709 --> 01:28:42,000
amazon.com I'm not very good with

2341
01:28:50,390 --> 01:28:45,719
self-promotion uh I'm in uh uh the ridge

2342
01:28:52,550 --> 01:28:50,400
Sasquatch uh on uh covered uh on uh

2343
01:28:55,250 --> 01:28:52,560
small town monsters it's on YouTube

2344
01:28:56,870 --> 01:28:55,260
right now and uh we are exploring the

2345
01:28:59,570 --> 01:28:56,880
the Chestnut Ridge as a matter of fact

2346
01:29:01,610 --> 01:28:59,580
uh in these uh opening episodes so

2347
01:29:03,590 --> 01:29:01,620
that's there and I'm looking forward to

2348
01:29:06,530 --> 01:29:03,600
next year's conferences so if anybody's

2349
01:29:09,950 --> 01:29:06,540
booking uh you can reach me at Ronald L

2350
01:29:12,229 --> 01:29:09,960
Murphy Jr yahoo.com that's my email

2351
01:29:13,850 --> 01:29:12,239
address now get to me directly and

2352
01:29:15,410 --> 01:29:13,860
that's I'm pretty low Tech and

2353
01:29:18,229 --> 01:29:15,420
old-fashioned one overcomes this kind of

2354
01:29:19,729 --> 01:29:18,239
stuff so uh but yeah that that's it in a

2355
01:29:21,830 --> 01:29:19,739
nutshell and gentlemen I would love to

2356
01:29:23,149 --> 01:29:21,840
be on your shows as well as law and of

2357
01:29:25,430 --> 01:29:23,159
course being on your show again as well

2358
01:29:27,050 --> 01:29:25,440
too but I appreciate that you have me on

2359
01:29:30,010 --> 01:29:27,060
point flattered

2360
01:29:32,209 --> 01:29:30,020
yeah we'll have to get you on sometime

2361
01:29:34,910 --> 01:29:32,219
well I hope to have you all back on

2362
01:29:37,129 --> 01:29:34,920
again so uh thanks again enjoy your

2363
01:29:44,149 --> 01:29:37,139
weekend and we'll be talking soon hey

2364
01:29:48,649 --> 01:29:46,250
now if uh you have a sighting or

2365
01:29:52,189 --> 01:29:48,659
encounter report that you would like to

2366
01:29:54,229 --> 01:29:52,199
consider for our personal reports or uh

2367
01:29:56,330 --> 01:29:54,239
you know personal even fans and Monsters

2368
01:29:59,169 --> 01:29:56,340
uh feel free to forward your email to

2369
01:30:02,330 --> 01:29:59,179
lawn Stricker fansofmonsters.com

2370
01:30:04,010 --> 01:30:02,340
and if uh you know if you have an

2371
01:30:05,390 --> 01:30:04,020
unexplained counter Society feel free to

2372
01:30:06,830 --> 01:30:05,400
contact me

2373
01:30:08,450 --> 01:30:06,840
um I want to get thank my guests for

2374
01:30:10,390 --> 01:30:08,460
joining me this evening very interesting

2375
01:30:13,010 --> 01:30:10,400
conversations great to have them all on

2376
01:30:14,629 --> 01:30:13,020
and thanks to each and all you for

2377
01:30:16,610 --> 01:30:14,639
watching and chatting and there was

2378
01:30:18,290 --> 01:30:16,620
quite a conversation going on the chat

2379
01:30:20,810 --> 01:30:18,300
tonight that's what we like

2380
01:30:24,110 --> 01:30:20,820
so uh you know please like subscribe

2381
01:30:25,370 --> 01:30:24,120
share an awesome comment uh we we like

2382
01:30:28,669 --> 01:30:25,380
your comments

2383
01:30:30,470 --> 01:30:28,679
so next Wednesday there will be another

2384
01:30:33,709 --> 01:30:30,480
episode of fans of Monster's personal

2385
01:30:38,270 --> 01:30:33,719
reports and that'll be at 9 00 p.m

2386
01:30:40,970 --> 01:30:38,280
Eastern Time 6 p.m Pacific time uh we

2387
01:30:43,189 --> 01:30:40,980
got some real doozies this time

2388
01:30:46,850 --> 01:30:43,199
and next Friday

2389
01:30:50,570 --> 01:30:46,860
I will have a couple joining me

2390
01:30:53,330 --> 01:30:50,580
who are Dogman experiencers from Ohio

2391
01:30:55,970 --> 01:30:53,340
they will be talking about their 12 year

2392
01:30:57,110 --> 01:30:55,980
old deal with the monsters in their

2393
01:30:59,810 --> 01:30:57,120
backyard

2394
01:31:02,209 --> 01:30:59,820
so uh it should be quite interesting so

2395
01:31:10,189 --> 01:31:02,219
until next week stay healthy and have a

2396
01:31:10,199 --> 01:31:13,729
thank you

2397
01:31:13,739 --> 01:31:29,440
foreign